3 Strike Rule

[anonymous-user]

I'm not sure what the general consensus on PH is regarding the BiB but in my mind they do a hard job, often very well (there are always exceptions) and often with little thanks

The thing that really winds me up is seeing the Road Wars, Traffic Cops etc where you get Mr Disqual driver or Mr Burglar getting caught often after a chase and then getting 2 hours community service or let out on bail when they have failed to attend before and I am sure it must be soul destroying for the BiB

Based on this, would it be a good idea to impliment some form the the Americans 3 Strike rule?

I can't myself see any issue with it really, get caught once slap on the wrist, get caught twice, a little bit of time, if you get caught a third time well you obviously aren't going to learn, off you trot for a good few years

[Plotloss]

Three strikes rule in the states is that three felonies equals life.

[Marty Funkhouser]

Our prisons are full to the brim as it is, banging up people for a bit of herb (for example) is ludicrous. How about a prevention rather than a cure?

[playerone]

Marty Funkhouser said:

Our prisons are full to the brim as it is, banging up people for a bit of herb (for example) is ludicrous. How about a prevention rather than a cure?

Youre right. It would be cheaper just to execute them.

[anonymous-user]

Plotloss said:

Three strikes rule in the states is that three felonies equals life.

Ah I wasn't aware of that I thought it just meant a longer term

Marty Funkhouser said:

Our prisons are full to the brim as it is, banging up people for a bit of herb (for example) is ludicrous. How about a prevention rather than a cure?

I'm with you on the herb thing, I think all drugs should be legalised and managed myself, always have and I think that is the only thing that would prevent that particular crime wave, but with regard to others, some people are just scum and they are the ones who seem to re offend time and time again and never get actually punished for it

[MX7]

It sounds good, but has thrown up some ridiculous decisions.

Leandro Andrade was given not one but two sentences of 25 years-to-life for stealing nine children's videotapes, including "Snow White," "Cinderella" and "Free Willie 2."

Kevin Weber stole four cookies from a Santa Ana restaurant in 1995 and was jailed for 25 years.

Common Dreams isn't a site I'd usually use, but the point is that people are being given life sentences for 3 x 'petty' crimes, as opposed to 1 x serious crime.

It's good rhetoric, but I don't believe it always works in practice.

Edited by MX7 on Wednesday 19th May 11:40

[anonymous-user]

MX7 said:

It sounds good, but has thrown up some ridiculous decisions.

Leandro Andrade was given not one but two sentences of 25 years-to-life for stealing nine children's videotapes, including "Snow White," "Cinderella" and "Free Willie 2."

Kevin Weber stole four cookies from a Santa Ana restaurant in 1995 and was jailed for 25 years.

Common Dreams isn't a site I'd usually use, but the point is that people are being given life sentences for 3 x 'petty' crimes, as opposed to 1 x serious crime.

It's good rhetoric, but I don't believe it always works in practice.

Edited by MX7 on Wednesday 19th May 11:40

To be fair, having done some reading wasn't the 4 cookies guy a repeat Burglar who actually went to rob the safe but tripped the alarm so filled his pockets with cookies before the police arrived?

[JuniorD]

anonymous said:

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Drug offences should be dealt with Singapore style. No quarter spared. Execution of importers and a good flogging of users. It's the only way to be sure.

[Marty Funkhouser]

MX7 said:

It sounds good, but has thrown up some ridiculous decisions.

Leandro Andrade was given not one but two sentences of 25 years-to-life for stealing nine children's videotapes, including "Snow White," "Cinderella" and "Free Willie 2."

Kevin Weber stole four cookies from a Santa Ana restaurant in 1995 and was jailed for 25 years.

Common Dreams isn't a site I'd usually use, but the point is that people are being given life sentences for 3 x 'petty' crimes, as opposed to 1 x serious crime.

It's good rhetoric, but I don't believe it always works in practice.

Edited by MX7 on Wednesday 19th May 11:40

Do you really want to live in a world where people get put inside for life for nicking some tapes???

[Plotloss]

JuniorD said:

Drug offences should be dealt with Singapore style. No quarter spared. Execution of importers and a good flogging of users. It's the only way to be sure.

And yet like everywhere else in the world that there are draconian measures applied to people who wish to take drugs there are still drugs in Singapore.

So it doesn't work.

It doesn't work in Dubai, it doesn't work in any other country you care to name.

Some people like to take some drugs. There isn't a drug free nation on earth.

Perhaps we should stop banging our head on the wall and look for a different way?

[anonymous-user]

Marty Funkhouser said:

MX7 said:

It sounds good, but has thrown up some ridiculous decisions.

Leandro Andrade was given not one but two sentences of 25 years-to-life for stealing nine children's videotapes, including "Snow White," "Cinderella" and "Free Willie 2."

Kevin Weber stole four cookies from a Santa Ana restaurant in 1995 and was jailed for 25 years.

Common Dreams isn't a site I'd usually use, but the point is that people are being given life sentences for 3 x 'petty' crimes, as opposed to 1 x serious crime.

It's good rhetoric, but I don't believe it always works in practice.

Edited by MX7 on Wednesday 19th May 11:40

Do you really want to live in a world where people get put inside for life for nicking some tapes???

Yes and No

The buck has to stop somewhere

He did something wrong, he got punished

He reoffended and got punished

By this point he should have been well aware if he reoffended, no matter how big or how small he would be put away for 25 years

He reoffended

Its not that hard to grasp really is it?

[Marty Funkhouser]

IMO I'd rather the government thought about ways of stopping people from being in a position where they feel they have to commit crime to survive. Of course thats not a headline grabbing "WE'RE TOUGH ON CRIME" message....

fking politicians....

[MX7]

Point taken Keyser, I was just trying to illustrate that people will still do stupid things, even with two previous convictions.

Marty Funkhouser said:

Do you really want to live in a world where people get put inside for life for nicking some tapes???

Absolutely not. To me it sounds like a parent making exaggerated threats to their child to stop them misbehaving. 'If you do that again Jonny, I'll phone up the Children's Home'. The difference is that they are doing it.

[Devil2575]

playerone said:

Marty Funkhouser said:

Our prisons are full to the brim as it is, banging up people for a bit of herb (for example) is ludicrous. How about a prevention rather than a cure?

Youre right. It would be cheaper just to execute them.

Execution for people smoking a bit of dope!

If they did the same for coke the city would be empty

[Mr_annie_vxr]

Marty Funkhouser said:

IMO I'd rather the government thought about ways of stopping people from being in a position where they feel they have to commit crime to survive. Of course thats not a headline grabbing "WE'RE TOUGH ON CRIME" message....

fking politicians....

I'd rather people stopped making out that people are forced into doing crime to survive. That's utter bks in all but a very small number of cases.

Stop excusing their behaviour.

I'm not in favour of 3 strikes and out, I am in favour of having more prison spaces than there are recidivist criminals and giving out proper substantial prison terms not pointless ineffective community terms for their 30th burglary.

Most criminals commit crime as a lifestyle choice.

[Mr_annie_vxr]

Plotloss said:

JuniorD said:

Drug offences should be dealt with Singapore style. No quarter spared. Execution of importers and a good flogging of users. It's the only way to be sure.

And yet like everywhere else in the world that there are draconian measures applied to people who wish to take drugs there are still drugs in Singapore.

So it doesn't work.

It doesn't work in Dubai, it doesn't work in any other country you care to name.

Some people like to take some drugs. There isn't a drug free nation on earth.

Perhaps we should stop banging our head on the wall and look for a different way?

We should but legalisation for suppliers is not the answer and legalisation will not impact on crime unless all drugs were given for free.

[JuniorD]

Plotloss said:

JuniorD said:

Drug offences should be dealt with Singapore style. No quarter spared. Execution of importers and a good flogging of users. It's the only way to be sure.

And yet like everywhere else in the world that there are draconian measures applied to people who wish to take drugs there are still drugs in Singapore.

So it doesn't work.

It doesn't work in Dubai, it doesn't work in any other country you care to name.

Some people like to take some drugs. There isn't a drug free nation on earth.

Perhaps we should stop banging our head on the wall and look for a different way?

I agree with you. But unlike the UK, Singapore doesn't appear to overtly exhibit the other social ailments associated with a drug problem (muggings, burgalry, theft, junkies...)so perhaps there is some positive effect. If their approach reduces the problem by any appreciable amount then I think it should continue while we find this different way.

[Plotloss]

JuniorD said:

Plotloss said:

JuniorD said:

Drug offences should be dealt with Singapore style. No quarter spared. Execution of importers and a good flogging of users. It's the only way to be sure.

And yet like everywhere else in the world that there are draconian measures applied to people who wish to take drugs there are still drugs in Singapore.

So it doesn't work.

It doesn't work in Dubai, it doesn't work in any other country you care to name.

Some people like to take some drugs. There isn't a drug free nation on earth.

Perhaps we should stop banging our head on the wall and look for a different way?

I agree with you. But unlike the UK, Singapore doesn't appear to overtly exhibit the other social ailments associated with a drug problem (muggings, burgalry, theft, junkies...)so perhaps there is some positive effect. If their approach reduces the problem by any appreciable amount then I think it should continue while we find this different way.

I would suggest the differences are not due to the drug laws but due to a fundamental difference in the constructs of society in Asia.

Many countries in the world have far more relaxed booze laws than us and yet their town and city centres aren't covered in blood of a weekend.

[Devil2575]

Mr_annie_vxr said:

Most criminals commit crime as a lifestyle choice.

I thought it was to fund a drug habit?

[Marty Funkhouser]

Mr_annie_vxr said:

Most criminals commit crime as a lifestyle choice.

Utter rubbish. A tiny minority of people are "professional criminals". The vast majority are fkwits like the 9 tapes thief mentioned above.