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I shouldn't be surprised and indeed I bet SWIMBO a tenner that it would only be a matter of time before the bunch of f
kwits would mention it and right on cue, they just couldn't resist.
Cwiss Packham tried to claim that global warming would cause more extreme weather and indeed cause colder winters. Then that stooopid bint Kate Humble talked about the gulf stream switching off because of global warming.
ARGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH
When will this mofo corporation get what it deserves.
s
(sorry, piss superheated). I'm firing off a complaint right now.
Did I mention they ares?
kwits would mention it and right on cue, they just couldn't resist.Cwiss Packham tried to claim that global warming would cause more extreme weather and indeed cause colder winters. Then that stooopid bint Kate Humble talked about the gulf stream switching off because of global warming.
ARGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH
When will this mofo corporation get what it deserves.
s(sorry, piss superheated). I'm firing off a complaint right now.
Did I mention they are
s? 
zollburgers said:
Do you have evidence that what they said is incorrect? If not, what exactly is your complaint?
Some scientist people say this will happen, others say it's rubbish. You have chosen to believe one side of it but that doesn't prove the other side is wrong.
According to the BBC and most of the Media, there is NO 'other side'...Some scientist people say this will happen, others say it's rubbish. You have chosen to believe one side of it but that doesn't prove the other side is wrong.
zollburgers said:
Do you have evidence that what they said is incorrect? If not, what exactly is your complaint?
Some scientist people say this will happen, others say it's rubbish. You have chosen to believe one side of it but that doesn't prove the other side is wrong.
Well, there is no chance of the Gulf stream switching off, unless the Earth stops rotating or a mega asteroid strike or equivalent. Its a myth that GW can cause the GS to stop.Some scientist people say this will happen, others say it's rubbish. You have chosen to believe one side of it but that doesn't prove the other side is wrong.
zollburgers said:
Do you have evidence that what they said is incorrect? If not, what exactly is your complaint?
Some scientist people say this will happen, others say it's rubbish. You have chosen to believe one side of it but that doesn't prove the other side is wrong.
Every heard of the coriolis effect?Some scientist people say this will happen, others say it's rubbish. You have chosen to believe one side of it but that doesn't prove the other side is wrong.
nope?
Next ...
zollburgers said:
Do you have evidence that what they said is incorrect? If not, what exactly is your complaint?
Some scientist people say this will happen, others say it's rubbish. You have chosen to believe one side of it but that doesn't prove the other side is wrong.
There is simply LOADS of evidence to disprove what was said.Some scientist people say this will happen, others say it's rubbish. You have chosen to believe one side of it but that doesn't prove the other side is wrong.
The question you should actually ask is;
Do they have any evidence to support what they say!?
And by evidence, I mean evidence with reputable scientific basis and theory behind it, and not the fiddled, discredited data that the IPCC and all other Climate Con-artists have used to base their flawed arguements on.
s2art said:
Well, there is no chance of the Gulf stream switching off, unless the Earth stops rotating or a mega asteroid strike or equivalent. Its a myth that GW can cause the GS to stop.
scientist dudes said:
In November 2004, the Gulf Stream was said to have stopped for ten days when measurements showing that meridional overturning circulation appeared to slow.[20] Scientists were puzzled by this behavior. Scientist Harry Bryden of the National Oceanography Center, declares, "We'd never seen anything like that before and we don't understand it. We didn't know it could happen." [20] Lloyd Keigwin, a scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution described the event as "the most abrupt change in the whole [climate] record". Kiegwin adds, "It only lasted 10 days. But suppose it lasted 30 or 60 days? ... How can we rule out a longer one next year?"[20]
Yes, it's from Wiki, but look up the references it lists if you want to investigate.I'm not saying it's true or false. I'm saying that neither you or me are climate scientists and form an opinion of what we are told. If the scientific community have decided that it is true, shouldn't the BBC report this?
Or would you like programmes on Creation as the theory of evolution doesn't answer every single niggling doubt?
zollburgers said:
s2art said:
Well, there is no chance of the Gulf stream switching off, unless the Earth stops rotating or a mega asteroid strike or equivalent. Its a myth that GW can cause the GS to stop.
scientist dudes said:
In November 2004, the Gulf Stream was said to have stopped for ten days when measurements showing that meridional overturning circulation appeared to slow.[20] Scientists were puzzled by this behavior. Scientist Harry Bryden of the National Oceanography Center, declares, "We'd never seen anything like that before and we don't understand it. We didn't know it could happen." [20] Lloyd Keigwin, a scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution described the event as "the most abrupt change in the whole [climate] record". Kiegwin adds, "It only lasted 10 days. But suppose it lasted 30 or 60 days? ... How can we rule out a longer one next year?"[20]
Yes, it's from Wiki, but look up the references it lists if you want to investigate.I'm not saying it's true or false. I'm saying that neither you or me are climate scientists and form an opinion of what we are told. If the scientific community have decided that it is true, shouldn't the BBC report this?
Or would you like programmes on Creation as the theory of evolution doesn't answer every single niggling doubt?
You would need both the overturning to stop AND the Jet Stream to shift south of Britain for any big effect.
Edited by s2art on Wednesday 13th January 22:44
Prof Carl Wunsch is one of the world's leading experts on this subject, the wider label for which is 'THC' (thermohaline circulation).
His letter to the publication Nature is below...
Your News story "Gulf Stream probed for early warnings of system failure" (Nature 427, 769 (2004)) discusses what the climate in the south of England would be like "without the Gulf Stream." Sadly, this phrase has been seen far too often, usually in newspapers concerned with the unlikely possibility of a new iceage in Britain triggered by the loss of the Gulf Stream.
European readers should be reassured that the Gulf Stream's existence is a consequence of the large-scale wind system over the North Atlantic Ocean, and of the nature of fluid motion on a rotating planet. The only way to produce an ocean circulation without a Gulf Stream is either to turn off the wind system, or to stop the Earth's rotation, or both.
Real questions exist about conceivable changes in the ocean circulation and its climate consequences. However, such discussions are not helped by hyperbole and alarmism. The occurrence of a climate state without the Gulf Stream anytime soon - within tens of millions of years - has a probability of little more than zero.Professor Carl Wunsch
Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences,
Massachusetts Institute of Technology"
(Nature 428, 601, April 8, 2004)
His letter to the publication Nature is below...
Professor Carl Wunsch said:
Your News story "Gulf Stream probed for early warnings of system failure" (Nature 427, 769 (2004)) discusses what the climate in the south of England would be like "without the Gulf Stream." Sadly, this phrase has been seen far too often, usually in newspapers concerned with the unlikely possibility of a new iceage in Britain triggered by the loss of the Gulf Stream.
European readers should be reassured that the Gulf Stream's existence is a consequence of the large-scale wind system over the North Atlantic Ocean, and of the nature of fluid motion on a rotating planet. The only way to produce an ocean circulation without a Gulf Stream is either to turn off the wind system, or to stop the Earth's rotation, or both.
Real questions exist about conceivable changes in the ocean circulation and its climate consequences. However, such discussions are not helped by hyperbole and alarmism. The occurrence of a climate state without the Gulf Stream anytime soon - within tens of millions of years - has a probability of little more than zero.
Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences,
Massachusetts Institute of Technology"
(Nature 428, 601, April 8, 2004)
Here's more on the same subject from CO2 science...
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V11/N46/C2.php
Reference
Lund, D.C., Lynch-Stieglitz, J. and Curry, W.B. 2006. Gulf Stream density structure and transport during the past millennium. Nature 444: 601-604.
Background
Many people fear -- or at least claim they do -- that global warming will lead to enhanced precipitation and melting of ice in high northern latitudes, which will lead to augmented freshwater runoff to the North Atlantic Ocean, which will lead to a precipitous decline in North Atlantic Deep Water formation, which will produce a swift reduction in the global ocean's thermohaline circulation, which could shut down the Gulf Stream and bring cold times to Europe.
What was done
In a study that comes to bear upon this climate-alarmist scenario, Lund et al. used the ä18O of foraminifera obtained from sediment cores retrieved near the Dry Tortugas and Great Bahama Bank to reconstruct density profiles of the Florida Current (the portion of the Gulf Stream that flows through the Straits of Florida) over the past millennium.
What was learned
In the words of the three researchers, "the cross-current density gradient and vertical current shear of the Gulf Stream were systematically lower during the Little Ice Age (AD ~1200 to 1850)," and they estimate that the "Little Ice Age volume transport was ten percent weaker than today's," stating additionally that "the intervals 0-100 yr BP [years before present] and 1,000-1,100 yr BP are characterized by higher transport."
What it means
In contrast to climate-alarmist contentions that the Gulf Stream could weaken in response to global warming, real-world data indicate that during portions of both the Medieval and Current Warm Periods the strength of the Gulf Stream was actually enhanced relative to what it was during the cooler Little Ice Age, which finding runs exactly counter to what Al Gore and many of his followers have long suggested should be the case.
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V11/N46/C2.php
Reference
Lund, D.C., Lynch-Stieglitz, J. and Curry, W.B. 2006. Gulf Stream density structure and transport during the past millennium. Nature 444: 601-604.
Background
Many people fear -- or at least claim they do -- that global warming will lead to enhanced precipitation and melting of ice in high northern latitudes, which will lead to augmented freshwater runoff to the North Atlantic Ocean, which will lead to a precipitous decline in North Atlantic Deep Water formation, which will produce a swift reduction in the global ocean's thermohaline circulation, which could shut down the Gulf Stream and bring cold times to Europe.
What was done
In a study that comes to bear upon this climate-alarmist scenario, Lund et al. used the ä18O of foraminifera obtained from sediment cores retrieved near the Dry Tortugas and Great Bahama Bank to reconstruct density profiles of the Florida Current (the portion of the Gulf Stream that flows through the Straits of Florida) over the past millennium.
What was learned
In the words of the three researchers, "the cross-current density gradient and vertical current shear of the Gulf Stream were systematically lower during the Little Ice Age (AD ~1200 to 1850)," and they estimate that the "Little Ice Age volume transport was ten percent weaker than today's," stating additionally that "the intervals 0-100 yr BP [years before present] and 1,000-1,100 yr BP are characterized by higher transport."
What it means
In contrast to climate-alarmist contentions that the Gulf Stream could weaken in response to global warming, real-world data indicate that during portions of both the Medieval and Current Warm Periods the strength of the Gulf Stream was actually enhanced relative to what it was during the cooler Little Ice Age, which finding runs exactly counter to what Al Gore and many of his followers have long suggested should be the case.
Eric Mc said:
Nice programme all the same. I just switch my brain off when the words "Climate Change" are mentioned. My doctor told me not to get angry too often.
Unfortunately that's the way of things these days especially on the BBC. Potentially good programs are spoiled by adding unproven "facts" about climate change. As soon as those two words are mentioned I get up to make a brew........the downside is that I'm now having to go for a piss every 5 minutes due to the quantity of tea I'm drinking.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff