Minimum Alcohol Pricing

[tank slapper]

I see the government are continuing their campaign against people who drink.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8446799.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8447007.stm

Much complaining about how much problem drinking costs, yet not much about how much they already rake in from alcohol taxation. This is following a similar pattern to smoking - demonise as much as possible, including using government funded non-charities to back up their case, and then bring in unnecessary laws.

[Hedders]

My first thought is that burglary/theft is going to go up, other than that i can't see it having it much effect.

[nonegreen]

tank slapper said:

I see the government are continuing their campaign against people who drink.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8446799.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8447007.stm

Much complaining about how much problem drinking costs, yet not much about how much they already rake in from alcohol taxation. This is following a similar pattern to smoking - demonise as much as possible, including using government funded non-charities to back up their case, and then bring in unnecessary laws.

They have to go round bothering its in their nature they are morons Bring on prohibation I will go and work for Capone.

[chainbar]

tank slapper said:

I see the government are continuing their campaign against people who drink.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8446799.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8447007.stm

Much complaining about how much problem drinking costs, yet not much about how much they already rake in from alcohol taxation. This is following a similar pattern to smoking - demonise as much as possible, including using government funded non-charities to back up their case, and then bring in unnecessary laws.

See, this is why I make my own. It gets you drunk faster anyway.

[b2hbm]

I can't see it happening short term, even Gordy is against it and there's very few tax-raising opportunities that he'd miss.

It's not surprising really, if the effect is to take out cheap alcohol then it's going to hit core labour voters far more than middle-class conservatives. From what I heard on the radio, the aim was for a 50p/unit minimum price which would hit the supermarket strong lagers the hardest, followed by cider I guess, which is going to impact on UK industries.

And being cynical I'd say that if the aim is to target young drinkers then all they will do is move from booze to dope for their nights out. Allegedly, when I was a student in the late 60s, it was cheaper to drop a tab of LSD than fork out for beer in the local pub...

[StevieBee]

In most Sweden, booze is stupidly expensive and anything over 3% you have to buy from government owned offys only.

If they think that raising the price will have an effect, they should take a stroll through the parks and back streets of Gothenburg to realise that this is most certainly not the case.

[dcb]

StevieBee said:

If they think that raising the price will have an effect, they should take a stroll through the parks and back streets of Gothenburg to realise that this is most certainly not the case.

Indeed - on the one hand UK taxes on alcohol are far higher than in France

but on the other hand UK has a far greater problem with alcohol than France does

so I fail to understand how putting up UK taxes even more
helps us copy the French and have a sensible attitude to alcohol.

[wiggy001]

dcb said:

StevieBee said:

If they think that raising the price will have an effect, they should take a stroll through the parks and back streets of Gothenburg to realise that this is most certainly not the case.

Indeed - on the one hand UK taxes on alcohol are far higher than in France

but on the other hand UK has a far greater problem with alcohol than France does

so I fail to understand how putting up UK taxes even more
helps us copy the French and have a sensible attitude to alcohol.

Because since 1997 we have bred a generation of scummers with no self respect, let alone respect for anyone else.

Cheap booze isn't the problem, nor is extended opening hours.

[Spiritual_Beggar]

Was watching a them talk about this on the BBC this morning.

Typical guy comes on saying that increasing prices has proven to be the best method to reduce alcoholism.


What a joke!!! How are these idiots given a voice!



Everyone and anyone can see that the problem with alcohol abuse in this country is a 'SOCIAL' issue, and because it's too cheap. It's just another example of Governments not wanting to address the REAL issues.

Let's face it, alcohol abuse has got worse because Labour has screwed up education and job prospects in this country, leaving aspirations amongst the poorer communities at an all time low.




But ofcourse, raising the price means there is more tax to be gained!

[herewego]

Spiritual_Beggar said:

Was watching a them talk about this on the BBC this morning.

Typical guy comes on saying that increasing prices has proven to be the best method to reduce alcoholism.


What a joke!!! How are these idiots given a voice!



Everyone and anyone can see that the problem with alcohol abuse in this country is a 'SOCIAL' issue, and because it's too cheap. It's just another example of Governments not wanting to address the REAL issues.

Let's face it, alcohol abuse has got worse because Labour has screwed up education and job prospects in this country, leaving aspirations amongst the poorer communities at an all time low.




But ofcourse, raising the price means there is more tax to be gained!

Why would there be a tax gain?

[Einion Yrth]

herewego said:

Why would there be a tax gain?

VAT is a tax on sale price.

[herewego]

Einion Yrth said:

herewego said:

Why would there be a tax gain?

VAT is a tax on sale price.

Oh yes. Still, if the policy worked there would be a drop in sales, so I suppose it could go either way.

[JB!]

nonegreen said:

tank slapper said:

I see the government are continuing their campaign against people who drink.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8446799.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8447007.stm

Much complaining about how much problem drinking costs, yet not much about how much they already rake in from alcohol taxation. This is following a similar pattern to smoking - demonise as much as possible, including using government funded non-charities to back up their case, and then bring in unnecessary laws.

They have to go round bothering its in their nature they are morons Bring on prohibation I will go and work for Capone.

I'm really up for some moonshine running!

What would be the best car for it tho?

[elster]

wiggy001 said:

dcb said:

StevieBee said:

If they think that raising the price will have an effect, they should take a stroll through the parks and back streets of Gothenburg to realise that this is most certainly not the case.

Indeed - on the one hand UK taxes on alcohol are far higher than in France

but on the other hand UK has a far greater problem with alcohol than France does

so I fail to understand how putting up UK taxes even more
helps us copy the French and have a sensible attitude to alcohol.

Because since 1997 we have bred a generation of scummers with no self respect, let alone respect for anyone else.

Cheap booze isn't the problem, nor is extended opening hours.

This is the problem. The alcohol can cost whatever you want, if society is full of binge drinkers and layabouts then the alcohol will be consumed whatever the price.

[supersingle]

The irony of a Labour government reducing the freedoms of the poor seems lost on most of the Guardianista types.

[Fittster]

elster said:

This is the problem. The alcohol can cost whatever you want, if society is full of binge drinkers and layabouts then the alcohol will be consumed whatever the price.

Yes, it's important we are busy worker bees.

If people want to spend their life pissed, regardless of the health implications let them.

[theaxe]

Is there any problem that the government can't solve through either fines or taxes?

[chainbar]

JB! said:

nonegreen said:

tank slapper said:

I see the government are continuing their campaign against people who drink.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8446799.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8447007.stm

Much complaining about how much problem drinking costs, yet not much about how much they already rake in from alcohol taxation. This is following a similar pattern to smoking - demonise as much as possible, including using government funded non-charities to back up their case, and then bring in unnecessary laws.

They have to go round bothering its in their nature they are morons Bring on prohibation I will go and work for Capone.

I'm really up for some moonshine running!

What would be the best car for it tho?

Ford Model A. Seriously though, my car works just fine.

[IainT]

tank slapper said:

I see the government are continuing their campaign against people who drink.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8446799.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8447007.stm

Much complaining about how much problem drinking costs, yet not much about how much they already rake in from alcohol taxation. This is following a similar pattern to smoking - demonise as much as possible, including using government funded non-charities to back up their case, and then bring in unnecessary laws.

If it continues the same way as smoking will they make the drinkers stand outside of the pub?

[StevieBee]

IainT said:

If it continues the same way as smoking will they make the drinkers stand outside of the pub?

Yes. Along with people eating fatty foods.

By jove I think we've got it!

This is part of one big ploy for teetotal, lentil eating, leftie vegans to take over the nation's pubs from where they'll plot world domination.