Cadbury - when will it be sweet enough ?
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anonymous said:
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I think it is about brands. Buy Cadbury now, flog off the production capacity and real estate, all that costly chocolate-making stuff, keep only the brand, which you attach to your chocolate product made elsewhere, thus allowing your existing chocolate plants to run at better efficiency and increasing both market share and profits at a stroke.Ayahuasca said:
anonymous said:
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I think it is about brands. Buy Cadbury now, flog off the production capacity and real estate, all that costly chocolate-making stuff, keep only the brand, which you attach to your chocolate product made elsewhere, thus allowing your existing chocolate plants to run at better efficiency and increasing both market share and profits at a stroke.
), nothing like the stuff in the UK. Jack Blag said:
Cadbury's Dairy Milk sells on its taste... if that were to change, there would be no "brand" to speak of.
All the Cadbury's chocolates sold in south america are made in Argentina (I think) and taste nothing like the UK ones. Also, their 'fruit & nut' etc uses almonds instead of hazelnuts!pokethepope said:
I hope not, all the Cadbury's choc here in Asia is made in Australia, and it tastes absolutely vile (similar to Hershey's ), nothing like the stuff in the UK.
The Australian stuff is a different recipie to tolerate higher temperatures without refridgeration, they probably sent the same stuff there. Yes it does taste quite different, and not in a good way!), nothing like the stuff in the UK. I can't understand why Kraft are in at such a low offer either.
Having said that, regardless of the previous association with Hershey, I think the Cadbury brand would do better with Kraft than Hershey.
Kraft have aiui quite a good reputation when it comes to dealing with brands and taking them up and on to better things.
Far as I am concerned both Gevalia (coffee) and Marabou (chocolate) have both gone onto much bigger and better things under Kraft than they ever did before.
Hershey, I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw a tonne of their finest vomit flavoured chocolate.
Cadbury's have an amazing product in Dairy Milk. Foreign kids who have tried it have all said, at least in my experience, that this is the best chocolate they have ever had. Yet I think Cadbury's management have not been bold enough with it and I don't know why.
Having said that, regardless of the previous association with Hershey, I think the Cadbury brand would do better with Kraft than Hershey.
Kraft have aiui quite a good reputation when it comes to dealing with brands and taking them up and on to better things.
Far as I am concerned both Gevalia (coffee) and Marabou (chocolate) have both gone onto much bigger and better things under Kraft than they ever did before.
Hershey, I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw a tonne of their finest vomit flavoured chocolate.
Cadbury's have an amazing product in Dairy Milk. Foreign kids who have tried it have all said, at least in my experience, that this is the best chocolate they have ever had. Yet I think Cadbury's management have not been bold enough with it and I don't know why.
Final paperwork being sorted and official announcement lunchtime but the Kraft offer will be recommended as agreement has been reached.
Cadbury's workers unhappy, understandably, however I feel they will be agreeably surprised in the long run.
In the run up to Christmas I put tins of Roses in all the overseas offices. Guess which went first, the local choc and candy or the Roses? Yep all the locals in a number of countries where Cadburys is not readily available or has little market penetration thought the Roses were amazing.
Have confidence in the product, don't be diverted by locals with agendas. That's what I meant.
Cadbury's workers unhappy, understandably, however I feel they will be agreeably surprised in the long run.
In the run up to Christmas I put tins of Roses in all the overseas offices. Guess which went first, the local choc and candy or the Roses? Yep all the locals in a number of countries where Cadburys is not readily available or has little market penetration thought the Roses were amazing.
Have confidence in the product, don't be diverted by locals with agendas. That's what I meant.
It appears to me as though the board have sold the business down the river - i have little doubt they will be recieving hansome bonuses as a result.
I have a good friend who has a degree of seniority in the company although certainly not at board level. They were told to prepare for a take over back in early December...
Cue a 'restructure' and UK job losses following promises by Kraft to retain UK manufacturing; much like the Terrys buy out.
Another example of "f
k you, Jack, I'm all right!!" to worship the almighty dollar?
k you, Jack, I'm all right!!" to worship the almighty dollar?Jezza30 said:
Cue a 'restructure' and UK job losses following promises by Kraft to retain UK manufacturing; much like the Terrys buy out.
At some point Kraft will likely need to get Cadburys onto their very complex business model. While this involves significant restructuring, in the medium term I would be surprised if they needed to shed staff.On the IT side, they are going to have lots of fun & games with this acquisition.
Last bastion of Britain sold down the river?
I won't touch another Cadbury chocolate now as long as I live. How long before they introduce their nano-tech low calorie Cadbury (sic or should that now be sick!) bar. You cannot improve something that has reached its ultimate. Kraft will do like others, they'll change the 'recipe' in order to 'make even more money'.
Look how it just got reported in the US !!
Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Kraft Foods Inc. offered 840 pence a share for Cadbury Plc. in a revised bid for the U.K. CANDY
maker, Cadbury.
Tried a Kraft 'Terrys' chocolate orange lately... ugh! Ingredients were changed. And they wondered why its sales plummeted. It once commanded huge sales here. No more.
All this country was great for has been sold off.
Even the utilities, mostly all foreign owned, yet many of the public think they are being 'served' still by a British company. Take the EDF adverts that appear regularly on TV. The mugs who think this is a British concern in a recent survey - Electricitie de Francais!
Do we have anything left?
Probably, ironic, all we have left that is truly British is perhaps a couple of car companies - probably most Brits couldn't name those either, can you? All the other so-called British car companies have foreign control.
Are there any other truly British 'established' companies left?
You tell me.
Perhaps as a final nail in the coffin we should now sell our Island or perhaps just let a Trojan Horse come in, and we all simply roll over (thinking about it, that 'horse' could already be here).
I won't touch another Cadbury chocolate now as long as I live. How long before they introduce their nano-tech low calorie Cadbury (sic or should that now be sick!) bar. You cannot improve something that has reached its ultimate. Kraft will do like others, they'll change the 'recipe' in order to 'make even more money'.
Look how it just got reported in the US !!
Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Kraft Foods Inc. offered 840 pence a share for Cadbury Plc. in a revised bid for the U.K. CANDY
maker, Cadbury.Tried a Kraft 'Terrys' chocolate orange lately... ugh! Ingredients were changed. And they wondered why its sales plummeted. It once commanded huge sales here. No more.
All this country was great for has been sold off.
Even the utilities, mostly all foreign owned, yet many of the public think they are being 'served' still by a British company. Take the EDF adverts that appear regularly on TV. The mugs who think this is a British concern in a recent survey - Electricitie de Francais!
Do we have anything left?
Probably, ironic, all we have left that is truly British is perhaps a couple of car companies - probably most Brits couldn't name those either, can you? All the other so-called British car companies have foreign control.
Are there any other truly British 'established' companies left?
You tell me.
Perhaps as a final nail in the coffin we should now sell our Island or perhaps just let a Trojan Horse come in, and we all simply roll over (thinking about it, that 'horse' could already be here).
Edited by dandarez on Tuesday 19th January 10:12
dandarez said:
I won't touch another Cadbury chocolate now as long as I live. How long before they introduce their nano-tech low calorie Cadbury (sic or should that now be sick!) bar. You cannot improve something that has reached its ultimate. Kraft will do like others, they'll change the 'recipe' in order to 'make even more money'.
Companies are regularly refining their recipes. It's not like they have 100% control over their raw ingredients so there will always be some variation between batches (albeit not a big variation).I've spent over a year at both Cadbury and Kraft and I don't see this as a "bad" thing. Kraft are not a bad company to work for and in my experience, Kraft employees complain a lot less than Cadbury's ones do.
Not had a choccy orange for a long time, they taste ste now?
edit.
On 30 September 2005 the former Terry's Factory in York closed its doors for the last time with the loss of 350 jobs, with production moving out of York and the UK for the first time to existing Kraft Foods facilities in Sweden, Belgium, Poland and Slovakia. Critics of Kraft cite this in the company's current bid to takeover Cadbury plc and say that Kraft would destroy an important British manufacturing company were it successful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry%27s_Chocolate_O...
It's a shame these Great British Chocolatiers get bought up by conglomerates. Would Kraft of Nestle do this?
Influenced by the book Poverty, A Study of Town Life, written by his son Benjamin Seebohm Rowntree, Joseph Rowntree attempted to improve the quality of his employees' lives. He provided a library in the factory and free education for workers under seventeen. A social welfare officer, doctor and a dentist were employed to provide free services for the workforce. Joseph Rowntree also donated £10,000 in 1906 to establish a Pension Fund for his workers. One of his main innovations was to give the workers a say in the appointment of their immediate supervisors.
te now?edit.
On 30 September 2005 the former Terry's Factory in York closed its doors for the last time with the loss of 350 jobs, with production moving out of York and the UK for the first time to existing Kraft Foods facilities in Sweden, Belgium, Poland and Slovakia. Critics of Kraft cite this in the company's current bid to takeover Cadbury plc and say that Kraft would destroy an important British manufacturing company were it successful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry%27s_Chocolate_O...
It's a shame these Great British Chocolatiers get bought up by conglomerates. Would Kraft of Nestle do this?
Influenced by the book Poverty, A Study of Town Life, written by his son Benjamin Seebohm Rowntree, Joseph Rowntree attempted to improve the quality of his employees' lives. He provided a library in the factory and free education for workers under seventeen. A social welfare officer, doctor and a dentist were employed to provide free services for the workforce. Joseph Rowntree also donated £10,000 in 1906 to establish a Pension Fund for his workers. One of his main innovations was to give the workers a say in the appointment of their immediate supervisors.
Edited by Halb on Tuesday 19th January 11:30
A wiki page with a clear agenda. Right?
Terry's site had tremendous problems, configuration, equipment, massively reducing sales, almost no export business and what there was rapidly falling, limited product range, expansion issues and the size and cost structure made it unsustainable as a stand alone.
Sadly in that case the site redevelopment potential was not used to transfer to a new site and products were transferred to other manufacturing sites around the world. In my view it would have been better if that were done, ie transfer to a new site, but a 315 employee factory with the problems mentioned just was never going to hack it.
Cadbury's is a different situation. Yes I'm sure there will be restructuring, time will tell.
It would have been better for Cadbury's to remain independant, no question. But to hear the stupid Cadbury descendant wittering in an ineffectual wittering whinging way this morning was just pathetic frankly.
Terry's site had tremendous problems, configuration, equipment, massively reducing sales, almost no export business and what there was rapidly falling, limited product range, expansion issues and the size and cost structure made it unsustainable as a stand alone.
Sadly in that case the site redevelopment potential was not used to transfer to a new site and products were transferred to other manufacturing sites around the world. In my view it would have been better if that were done, ie transfer to a new site, but a 315 employee factory with the problems mentioned just was never going to hack it.
Cadbury's is a different situation. Yes I'm sure there will be restructuring, time will tell.
It would have been better for Cadbury's to remain independant, no question. But to hear the stupid Cadbury descendant wittering in an ineffectual wittering whinging way this morning was just pathetic frankly.
Edited by F i F on Tuesday 19th January 11:46
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