Religion seen as an 'oddity' says Bushy Eyebrow man
Discussion
Well known snake oil salesman and 'devil' eyebrows owner Rowan Williams complaining about how 'believers' are perceived by Gubberment.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8409310.stm
From his appearance and belief in fairies, I can't believe why people would believe he is eccentric.
Maybe he could be the new face of Gillette, I for one would pay a few quid to charity to help shave those caterpillars off his face!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8409310.stm
From his appearance and belief in fairies, I can't believe why people would believe he is eccentric.
Maybe he could be the new face of Gillette, I for one would pay a few quid to charity to help shave those caterpillars off his face!
Occam's Razor said:
"The world holds two classes of men – intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence."
You missed the third class: men who quote intelligent men. 
The problem is that there are some very intelligent religious men who can convince others to strap a bomb belt to themselves and go to a crowded location...
Edited by ShadownINja on Saturday 12th December 15:21
Its quite astonishing that the pillock has taken this long to realise his tiny flock, his imaginary friend and all the baubel parafinalia and mumbo jumbo bulls
t that he holds sacred is in fact held in utter contempt by the real world. Next move is to eject the clowns from the house of lords and let that be an end to them.
t that he holds sacred is in fact held in utter contempt by the real world. Next move is to eject the clowns from the house of lords and let that be an end to them.I think it's all a bit of a shame actually.
Just like the whole green movement, I can't accept the basic idea that the world was made in seven days, and all that. There is what I would call a thread of truth running through the whole thing.
With the bible, you have to remember that the thing is damned old, and we didn't know quite what we do now, and certainly not in the numbers.
The thing is that doing right by people is not something that has changed. We knew about morals and ethics back then, because it's been important ever since Neanderthal Man was slaying Woolly Mammoths.
Nowadays we have the situation where huge global companies can behave unethically, but it is not acceptable for individuals to do so. The church is about forgiveness, but I have a feeling that big corporations are not.
Perhaps government listening to the Anglican church is not such a bad thing. Could it be worse than what we have now?
Just like the whole green movement, I can't accept the basic idea that the world was made in seven days, and all that. There is what I would call a thread of truth running through the whole thing.
With the bible, you have to remember that the thing is damned old, and we didn't know quite what we do now, and certainly not in the numbers.
The thing is that doing right by people is not something that has changed. We knew about morals and ethics back then, because it's been important ever since Neanderthal Man was slaying Woolly Mammoths.
Nowadays we have the situation where huge global companies can behave unethically, but it is not acceptable for individuals to do so. The church is about forgiveness, but I have a feeling that big corporations are not.
Perhaps government listening to the Anglican church is not such a bad thing. Could it be worse than what we have now?
Edited by dilbert on Sunday 13th December 03:18
dilbert said:
I think it's all a bit of a shame actually.
Just like the whole green movement, I can't accept the basic idea that the world was made in seven days, and all that. There is what I would call a thread of truth running through the whole thing.
With the bible, you have to remember that the thing is damned old, and we didn't know quite what we do now, and certainly not in the numbers.
The thing is that doing right by people is not something that has changed. We knew about morals and ethics back then, because it's been important ever since Neanderthal Man was slaying Woolly Mammoths.
Nowadays we have the situation where huge global companies can behave unethically, but it is not acceptable for individuals to do so. The church is about forgiveness, but I have a feeling that big corporations are not.
Perhaps government listening to the Anglican church is not such a bad thing. Could it be worse than what we have now?
Blimey, I'm in agreement with Dilbert!!!Just like the whole green movement, I can't accept the basic idea that the world was made in seven days, and all that. There is what I would call a thread of truth running through the whole thing.
With the bible, you have to remember that the thing is damned old, and we didn't know quite what we do now, and certainly not in the numbers.
The thing is that doing right by people is not something that has changed. We knew about morals and ethics back then, because it's been important ever since Neanderthal Man was slaying Woolly Mammoths.
Nowadays we have the situation where huge global companies can behave unethically, but it is not acceptable for individuals to do so. The church is about forgiveness, but I have a feeling that big corporations are not.
Perhaps government listening to the Anglican church is not such a bad thing. Could it be worse than what we have now?
Edited by dilbert on Sunday 13th December 03:18
Maybe Williams' problem is that, being a bit eccentric himself, he will have a job convincing non-Anglicans that all people who are members of the Anglican church aren't eccentric.
Eric Mc said:
dilbert said:
I think it's all a bit of a shame actually.
Just like the whole green movement, I can't accept the basic idea that the world was made in seven days, and all that. There is what I would call a thread of truth running through the whole thing.
With the bible, you have to remember that the thing is damned old, and we didn't know quite what we do now, and certainly not in the numbers.
The thing is that doing right by people is not something that has changed. We knew about morals and ethics back then, because it's been important ever since Neanderthal Man was slaying Woolly Mammoths.
Nowadays we have the situation where huge global companies can behave unethically, but it is not acceptable for individuals to do so. The church is about forgiveness, but I have a feeling that big corporations are not.
Perhaps government listening to the Anglican church is not such a bad thing. Could it be worse than what we have now?
Blimey, I'm in agreement with Dilbert!!!Just like the whole green movement, I can't accept the basic idea that the world was made in seven days, and all that. There is what I would call a thread of truth running through the whole thing.
With the bible, you have to remember that the thing is damned old, and we didn't know quite what we do now, and certainly not in the numbers.
The thing is that doing right by people is not something that has changed. We knew about morals and ethics back then, because it's been important ever since Neanderthal Man was slaying Woolly Mammoths.
Nowadays we have the situation where huge global companies can behave unethically, but it is not acceptable for individuals to do so. The church is about forgiveness, but I have a feeling that big corporations are not.
Perhaps government listening to the Anglican church is not such a bad thing. Could it be worse than what we have now?
Edited by dilbert on Sunday 13th December 03:18
Maybe Williams' problem is that, being a bit eccentric himself, he will have a job convincing non-Anglicans that all people who are members of the Anglican church aren't eccentric.
Not so sure of the religion v big business thing, I worked for a multi national and the management of plant in the Deep South would open Monday meetings discussing what the sermons had been in their various, (Mainly Baptist), churches, then decided (pre Google Earth), to hire a light aircraft to overfly Georgia, looking for the trailer parks where, in their words the 'trash who will work for less live', when they were looking for a site for a new plant.
Indeed, in same way as apparently some of their fathers could justify ' dragging'(their words) as a way of improving their community. (And it increased white pillowcase sales which helped the local textile industry, giving more work for the cotton pickers, so helping the Black community- Simples!)
dragging'(their words) as a way of improving their community. (And it increased white pillowcase sales which helped the local textile industry, giving more work for the cotton pickers, so helping the Black community- Simples!)dilbert said:
The thing is that doing right by people is not something that has changed. We knew about morals and ethics back then, because it's been important ever since Neanderthal Man was slaying Woolly Mammoths.
That's true, but I don't see what it has to do with organised religion.Plenty of people with absolutely no religious beliefs whatsoever strive to do right by people throughout their lives, and plenty of religious people are absolute tossers.
Remove religion, and the underlying human beings would still be exactly the same people. There just might be one less excuse for being vile to people on a mass scale though.
Kermit power said:
dilbert said:
The thing is that doing right by people is not something that has changed. We knew about morals and ethics back then, because it's been important ever since Neanderthal Man was slaying Woolly Mammoths.
That's true, but I don't see what it has to do with organised religion.Plenty of people with absolutely no religious beliefs whatsoever strive to do right by people throughout their lives, and plenty of religious people are absolute tossers.
Remove religion, and the underlying human beings would still be exactly the same people. There just might be one less excuse for being vile to people on a mass scale though.
Remove politicians and replace them with religion, and things would be better.
Remove politicians and replace them with honest moral people, and things would be better still.
I don't want to be ruled by religion, any more than "Bushy Eyebrow man" seems to want to rule me.
And so I respect him and his belief.
Edited by dilbert on Sunday 13th December 19:42
dilbert said:
Kermit power said:
dilbert said:
The thing is that doing right by people is not something that has changed. We knew about morals and ethics back then, because it's been important ever since Neanderthal Man was slaying Woolly Mammoths.
That's true, but I don't see what it has to do with organised religion.Plenty of people with absolutely no religious beliefs whatsoever strive to do right by people throughout their lives, and plenty of religious people are absolute tossers.
Remove religion, and the underlying human beings would still be exactly the same people. There just might be one less excuse for being vile to people on a mass scale though.
Remove politicians and replace them with religion, and things would be better.
Remove politicians and replace them with honest moral people, and things would be better still.
I don't want to be ruled by religion, any more than "Bushy Eyebrow man" seems to want to rule me.
And so I respect him and his belief.
I'm not sure what your first line is supposed to mean - remove the people, and the religion would cease to exist.
Remove the religion, and the politicians would be better.
Remove the religion and the politicians and replace them with honest, moral people and we might start to make some progress.
I find it impossible to have the slightest respect for a man who holds a position from which women are disqualified for no reason other than their gender.
Kermit power said:
The problem with your argument is that the World is full of very religious politicians and always has been. Many of them use have used their religion as an excuse for violence on an epic scale.
I'm not sure what your first line is supposed to mean - remove the people, and the religion would cease to exist.
Remove the religion, and the politicians would be better.
Remove the religion and the politicians and replace them with honest, moral people and we might start to make some progress.
I find it impossible to have the slightest respect for a man who holds a position from which women are disqualified for no reason other than their gender.
There is no problem with my argument, as far as I am concerned.I'm not sure what your first line is supposed to mean - remove the people, and the religion would cease to exist.
Remove the religion, and the politicians would be better.
Remove the religion and the politicians and replace them with honest, moral people and we might start to make some progress.
I find it impossible to have the slightest respect for a man who holds a position from which women are disqualified for no reason other than their gender.
The first line probably should have read "remove people who are not religious", but I accept there is no way you could have worked it out.
Perhaps bad people who claim religious conviction have caused epic scale violence. But I doubt that "Bushy Eyebrow man" was there rubbing his hands at the time. The most recent and significant case I can think of in this respect actually chose Catholicism - after the event. I've never been a fan of Catholicism anyway - too power hungry.
The Anglican church is quite tolerant of women Bishops for example. I mean on a level playing field, I'd put Anglican church ahead of many corporate boards of directors. In some ways perhaps it's better and more honest in the long run, to adopt female clergy over time and on merit.
That's not an excuse, but it's better than "token women" being promoted into positions of power, as pawns to their masters and for the sake of appearances. Perhaps worse would be wild cards that do no good for anyone. I doubt that does women any direct good. Anyway the church, by nature, always plays a long game.
No, for me it's better that we just choose good people to lead and advise.
Obviously it's worth considering that the Queen herself, is the head of the Church of England.
Edited by dilbert on Sunday 13th December 20:24
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