catholic church child abusers ireland
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Yes its high time the god botherers had their assets siezed and were declared bankrupt and their organisation banned. The papist rubbish has been polluting this planet for far too long. While parasites pontificate about climate models in Copenhagen, religious perverts are still getting away with sexual abuse. Why is it gubbermints manage to ignore the issues and create non issues to devote precious time to.
If something like this happened in a commercial organisation which, as part of a wider range of activities, had senior staff responsible for looking after children the roman catholic church would be one of the first, and loudest to call for the organisation to be shut down, and those involved to be brought to justice. The politicians in countries where the organisation operated would be asking questions about the activities in their country, and again quite likely to be calling for the organisation to be shut down. It is also likely that the church and government would be calling for any assets of the organisation to be seized in order to be used to compensate the victims.
Where are the calls for the roman catholic church to be closed, made illegal and the leader of the organisation to be called to account in a court?
If those in power aren't prepared to make these calls what are they hiding?
Where are the calls for the roman catholic church to be closed, made illegal and the leader of the organisation to be called to account in a court?
If those in power aren't prepared to make these calls what are they hiding?
What happened in Ireland is, of course, terrible.
What did surprise me is the level of prominence put on this story in the UK media. Other Irish stories hardly get a mention at all. For instance, why did the British media almost completely ignore the terrible flooding in Ireland last week - which was probably even worse and more widespread than the flooding in Cumbria.
Now, I understand that the UK media has no obligation to cover news events in the Irish Republic. However, they seem to have revelled in the Catholic "expose" story all day yesterday, including making it the lead story in a number of bulletins. BBC were even highlighting a "help line" for those who might have been affected.
I do think that there is an element of salacioucesness in the way these stories are carried - together with a tinge of anti-Catholicism. I am sure that other churches (and other non-religious organisations that deal with children) have had their problems with such incidents over their history as well - but it does seem to be the Catholics that get the greatest coverage.
I grew up in Ireland smack bang in the middle of the period covered by these problems. I have to say, that I never came across or experienced any problems with priests or other church workers in that time. What put me off the church was not matters such as this, but the Catholic Chuurch's overall position of power and their arrogance - and the un-Christian nature of much of their behaviour. Obviously, this type of carry-on was happening underneath the surface but I never saw or heard of any of it.
What did surprise me is the level of prominence put on this story in the UK media. Other Irish stories hardly get a mention at all. For instance, why did the British media almost completely ignore the terrible flooding in Ireland last week - which was probably even worse and more widespread than the flooding in Cumbria.
Now, I understand that the UK media has no obligation to cover news events in the Irish Republic. However, they seem to have revelled in the Catholic "expose" story all day yesterday, including making it the lead story in a number of bulletins. BBC were even highlighting a "help line" for those who might have been affected.
I do think that there is an element of salacioucesness in the way these stories are carried - together with a tinge of anti-Catholicism. I am sure that other churches (and other non-religious organisations that deal with children) have had their problems with such incidents over their history as well - but it does seem to be the Catholics that get the greatest coverage.
I grew up in Ireland smack bang in the middle of the period covered by these problems. I have to say, that I never came across or experienced any problems with priests or other church workers in that time. What put me off the church was not matters such as this, but the Catholic Chuurch's overall position of power and their arrogance - and the un-Christian nature of much of their behaviour. Obviously, this type of carry-on was happening underneath the surface but I never saw or heard of any of it.
Eric Mc said:
I am sure that other churches (and other non-religious organisations that deal with children) have had their problems with such incidents over their history as well - but it does seem to be the Catholics that get the greatest coverage.
Really? You don't think that the denial of earthly desires is likely to lead to issues (as it were)? And what other organisations have such a strangle hold on the establishment?Eric Mc said:
What happened in Ireland is, of course, terrible.
What did surprise me is the level of prominence put on this story in the UK media. Other Irish stories hardly get a mention at all. For instance, why did the British media almost completely ignore the terrible flooding in Ireland last week - which was probably even worse and more widespread than the flooding in Cumbria.
Now, I understand that the UK media has no obligation to cover news events in the Irish Republic. However, they seem to have revelled in the Catholic "expose" story all day yesterday, including making it the lead story in a number of bulletins. BBC were even highlighting a "help line" for those who might have been affected.
I do think that there is an element of salacioucesness in the way these stories are carried - together with a tinge of anti-Catholicism. I am sure that other churches (and other non-religious organisations that deal with children) have had their problems with such incidents over their history as well - but it does seem to be the Catholics that get the greatest coverage.
I grew up in Ireland smack bang in the middle of the period covered by these problems. I have to say, that I never came across or experienced any problems with priests or other church workers in that time. What put me off the church was not matters such as this, but the Catholic Chuurch's overall position of power and their arrogance - and the un-Christian nature of much of their behaviour. Obviously, this type of carry-on was happening underneath the surface but I never saw or heard of any of it.
Whether it limited or widespread, whether it is covered by the BBC as a good news story or not, whether it is anti catholic or not. I don't care tbh. What I do care about is that this kind of abuse is totally unacceptable in any society and because it is a major institution that is involved, and because it is perceived to have been kept secret or covered up for years, by a religious organisation makes it even more unpaletable. For the catholic church or any church to sweep this under the carpet is disgraceful and I would expect any person involved to be dealt with severely, both the perpetrators and anyone in the catholic establishment guilty of cover up. This should also be a civil, matter out in the open and not just dealt with internally by the church. Rant over. What did surprise me is the level of prominence put on this story in the UK media. Other Irish stories hardly get a mention at all. For instance, why did the British media almost completely ignore the terrible flooding in Ireland last week - which was probably even worse and more widespread than the flooding in Cumbria.
Now, I understand that the UK media has no obligation to cover news events in the Irish Republic. However, they seem to have revelled in the Catholic "expose" story all day yesterday, including making it the lead story in a number of bulletins. BBC were even highlighting a "help line" for those who might have been affected.
I do think that there is an element of salacioucesness in the way these stories are carried - together with a tinge of anti-Catholicism. I am sure that other churches (and other non-religious organisations that deal with children) have had their problems with such incidents over their history as well - but it does seem to be the Catholics that get the greatest coverage.
I grew up in Ireland smack bang in the middle of the period covered by these problems. I have to say, that I never came across or experienced any problems with priests or other church workers in that time. What put me off the church was not matters such as this, but the Catholic Chuurch's overall position of power and their arrogance - and the un-Christian nature of much of their behaviour. Obviously, this type of carry-on was happening underneath the surface but I never saw or heard of any of it.
There is more in the papers this morning about the vatican refusing to provide any information to the enquiry. It appears that as the vatican is a state it only responds through diplomatic channels and as this was not a state enquiry but an independant enqiry it would not respond but has subsequently stated it is a local church matter.
No doubt in time rumors will circulate that these events did not happen or were not as bad as was thought at the time.
It seems that the catholic church's undoubted power and influence at government level will protect the organisation again.
Regarding the salacious reporting, if anything it has been under reported, just as in the USA. If the media were dealing with something like a mass murderer being held to account we would have had programmes reconstructing the events in full technicolour. Because this horrific abuse involves children the details can never be openly discussed and because this abuse is so widespead and involves such a huge number of victims the strategy by all concerned would be "best not to rock the boat"
Imagine if the catholic church was a political party seeking election, what would you say to them when they nasked for your vote?
No doubt in time rumors will circulate that these events did not happen or were not as bad as was thought at the time.
It seems that the catholic church's undoubted power and influence at government level will protect the organisation again.
Regarding the salacious reporting, if anything it has been under reported, just as in the USA. If the media were dealing with something like a mass murderer being held to account we would have had programmes reconstructing the events in full technicolour. Because this horrific abuse involves children the details can never be openly discussed and because this abuse is so widespead and involves such a huge number of victims the strategy by all concerned would be "best not to rock the boat"
Imagine if the catholic church was a political party seeking election, what would you say to them when they nasked for your vote?
Eric Mc said:
What put me off the church was not matters such as this, but the Catholic Chuurch's overall position of power and their arrogance - and the un-Christian nature of much of their behaviour.
Eric, I understand what you are saying in the sections of your post I have not quoted - I took it that the reason for the coverage is because the roman catholic church operates on an international basis. I personally didn't really see it as an Irish issue, but an issue with the institution concerned.In terms of the section quoted, and particularly the emboldened part, I think you have highlighted the reason for my concerns on this matter - it appears to have been (and still is in the way the apology has been given) a massive abuse of power and quite incredible arrogance.
Eric Mc said:
What happened in Ireland is, of course, terrible.
What did surprise me is the level of prominence put on this story in the UK media. Other Irish stories hardly get a mention at all. For instance, why did the British media almost completely ignore the terrible flooding in Ireland last week - which was probably even worse and more widespread than the flooding in Cumbria.
I honestly think in the run-up to Copenhagen, the mainstream media are trying to push any story to cover the 'Climategate' scandal, particularly the BBC...What did surprise me is the level of prominence put on this story in the UK media. Other Irish stories hardly get a mention at all. For instance, why did the British media almost completely ignore the terrible flooding in Ireland last week - which was probably even worse and more widespread than the flooding in Cumbria.
jshell said:
Eric Mc said:
What happened in Ireland is, of course, terrible.
What did surprise me is the level of prominence put on this story in the UK media. Other Irish stories hardly get a mention at all. For instance, why did the British media almost completely ignore the terrible flooding in Ireland last week - which was probably even worse and more widespread than the flooding in Cumbria.
I honestly think in the run-up to Copenhagen, the mainstream media are trying to push any story to cover the 'Climategate' scandal, particularly the BBC...What did surprise me is the level of prominence put on this story in the UK media. Other Irish stories hardly get a mention at all. For instance, why did the British media almost completely ignore the terrible flooding in Ireland last week - which was probably even worse and more widespread than the flooding in Cumbria.
It is wrong to dismiss this story as some kind of cover for something else, it is a huge story that has enormous significance in Ireland and internationally.
T89 Callan said:
I just find the whole thing shocking.
What the f
k is wrong with (religious) people? Really what is wrong with them?
I remember seeing a documentary that made attempts to explain the high numbers of pedophiles within the catholic church.What the f
k is wrong with (religious) people? Really what is wrong with them?It suggested that a lot of it was to do with the way priests are recruited at a young age and forced to grow up in a very unnatural environment. i.e. no relationships with the opposite sex, no sexual release etc.
It made a lot of sense to me. But unfortunately it does mean that this sort of thing is and will continue to be endemic in the Catholic church.
You would think their god would have done something about it by now.
drivin_me_nuts said:
jshell said:
Eric Mc said:
What happened in Ireland is, of course, terrible.
What did surprise me is the level of prominence put on this story in the UK media. Other Irish stories hardly get a mention at all. For instance, why did the British media almost completely ignore the terrible flooding in Ireland last week - which was probably even worse and more widespread than the flooding in Cumbria.
I honestly think in the run-up to Copenhagen, the mainstream media are trying to push any story to cover the 'Climategate' scandal, particularly the BBC...What did surprise me is the level of prominence put on this story in the UK media. Other Irish stories hardly get a mention at all. For instance, why did the British media almost completely ignore the terrible flooding in Ireland last week - which was probably even worse and more widespread than the flooding in Cumbria.
It is wrong to dismiss this story as some kind of cover for something else, it is a huge story that has enormous significance in Ireland and internationally.
I listen to Irish radio regularly and it got about as much coverage in their media as it did in the UK. The damage was done to the Irish Catholic Church about twenty years ago - when revelations began to emerge about bishops and famous priests fathering numerous children. One of the priests covered by yesterday's story (who comnmited suicde a number of years ago) was the subject of a Channel 4 documentary about four years ago. The news yesterday was the fact that the Catholic Chirch in Ireland has FINALLY had to acknowledge that these things happened and that they colluded with the Irish state authorities in covering them up for decades. Most people in Ireland already knew this by now. But now its official.
Regarding the uniquesness of Catholic clergy in regard to this type of behaviour, I accept that the oath of celibacy does create certain circumstances where certain individuals may behave on an aberrant (and abhorrant) maner - but as I said earlier, adults who want to get into a position of authority where they have access to children for nefarious purposes, will find a way, whether through the Catholic church, some other church or through lay organisations. The practice is not unique to priests.
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