Get Britain working

[Fittster]

And just how is Dave going to do that? Reduces taxes on businesses or Role back there welfare state? No:

"He told the BBC the New Deal would be among schemes replaced by personalised help to get the jobless and those on incapacity benefit into work.

The initial start-up cost of the change would be £600m, the Tory leader said."

A big government solution involving throwing taxpayers money at the problem. Hmm, and I thought the Tories were small government, low tax, silly me.

Anybody really think changing the bloke in No. 10 will make the slightest difference?

[turbobloke]

Yes, because that's one aspect of 'change' only, and presumably selected for your purpose

[Fittster]

turbobloke said:

Yes, because that's one aspect of 'change' only, and presumably selected for your purpose

Maybe his European views that are so different to Nu Labour appeals to you?

[loltolhurst]

no difference whatsoever they have no idea what goes on in the job centre

[turbobloke]

Fittster said:

turbobloke said:

Yes, because that's one aspect of 'change' only, and presumably selected for your purpose

Maybe his European views that are so different to Nu Labour appeals to you?

Europe is probably going to cause CMD some (more) hairline retreat in the near future...but no, it's the overall ideology and vastly improved competence that appeals to me.

Environmental policies wouldn't improve much either as CMD is almost as wedded to the green myths as Meltdown, but overall it would be a vastly improved package to that which we currently endure.

I was going to say it could hardly be worse, then I remembered that picture of the libdims.

[king arthur]

Fittster said:

And just how is Dave going to do that? Reduces taxes on businesses or Role back there welfare state? No:

The Conservatives are planning to reduce taxes on businesses if you'd only look.

[loltolhurst]

king arthur said:

Fittster said:

And just how is Dave going to do that? Reduces taxes on businesses or Role back there welfare state? No:

The Conservatives are planning to reduce taxes on businesses if you'd only look.

theres a difference between planning and doing - cant believe they will be able to afford to do it thanks to labour etc

[turbobloke]

loltolhurst said:

king arthur said:

Fittster said:

And just how is Dave going to do that? Reduces taxes on businesses or Role back there welfare state? No:

The Conservatives are planning to reduce taxes on businesses if you'd only look.

Theres a difference between planning and doing - cant believe they will be able to afford to do it thanks to labour etc

Not wishing to make assumptions about your post, but you may be forgetting that tax-take can increase when the level of taxation is reduced.

The Irish govt (apparently) got this right over capital gains tax in the past, which was reduced and led to revenue increasing, but wrong with VAT recently, which was increased and revenue fell.

[Fittster]

king arthur said:

Fittster said:

And just how is Dave going to do that? Reduces taxes on businesses or Role back there welfare state? No:

The Conservatives are planning to reduce taxes on businesses if you'd only look.

"We will cut the main rate of corporation tax to 25p and the small companies' rate to 20p, paid for by scrapping complex reliefs and allowances"


What we give with one hand we take with the other.

[DSM2]

Fittster said:

Anybody really think changing the bloke in No. 10 will make the slightest difference?

It may do. It may not do.

But, for sure, NO change will simply drive us further down the sewer we have been descending into for the past decade or so.

It's worth a try.

[Somewhatfoolish]

Fittster said:

Anybody really think changing the bloke in No. 10 will make the slightest difference?

Yes. I think it will make the slightest difference

[fido]

Somewhatfoolish said:

Fittster said:

Anybody really think changing the bloke in No. 10 will make the slightest difference?

Yes. I think it will make the slightest difference

Not having that idiot in No. 10 would mean we could at least start to sort out problems, whereas I think the bloke in No. 11 has done the best in the circumstances in which he has inherited from said idiots.

[Euro Spec]

Fittster said:

Anybody really think changing the bloke in No. 10 will make the slightest difference?

Could you imagine if no-one bothered to vote and Labour were still in power after next year's election?

Power has to be challenged, otherwise govts. get excessively greedy and PC, etc.

[OnTheOverrun]

Odd time to start this thread with the tory conference begining tomorrow. Why not wait until you've heard the full story then get back to us?

[IforB]

Going on the comments today, then all I have to say is pah. It's the same old tired nonsense getting trotted out again.

A "big, bold shakeup"....

Don't get me wrong, I can't wait for Winky to get booted, but I'm afraid the Tories aren't exactly doing much apart from not being Labour. Mind you, they don't need to do anything else to be honest.

[zcacogp]

IforB said:

I'm afraid the Tories aren't exactly doing much apart from not being Labour. Mind you, they don't need to do anything else to be honest.

... and therein lies the problem. No-one really seems to want the Tories to be in power. It's just that they really don't want Labour to be in power, and hence we are likely to see the change come next May (or whenever).


Oli.

[Shoot Blair]

zcacogp said:

IforB said:

I'm afraid the Tories aren't exactly doing much apart from not being Labour. Mind you, they don't need to do anything else to be honest.

... and therein lies the problem. No-one really seems to want the Tories to be in power. It's just that they really don't want Labour to be in power, and hence we are likely to see the change come next May (or whenever).


Oli.

This is the thing. Bliar poached a load of good ideas last time.

You can bet your bottom dollar, they'll try it again. Staying in power is more important to labour than ANYTHING, and I almost think they could pull a stunt like a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, just to pinch votes. You will see some proper labour pandering and some conservative avoidance and hopefully, just hopefully, CMD will give it full bore at the last minute.

(To be the first man under President Blair).

[IforB]

zcacogp said:

IforB said:

I'm afraid the Tories aren't exactly doing much apart from not being Labour. Mind you, they don't need to do anything else to be honest.

... and therein lies the problem. No-one really seems to want the Tories to be in power. It's just that they really don't want Labour to be in power, and hence we are likely to see the change come next May (or whenever).


Oli.

This election is definately going to be the proof that Oppositions don't win elections, Governments lose them.