So... the Irish vote

[Asterix]

This has crept up on us all.

No!

[tank slapper]

The No vote doesn't stand a chance this time. The Yes vote campaign has been pumped with money and EU lackeys.

Unfortunately it looks like the last chance to avoid the Lisbon treaty is the Czech republic.

[Puggit]

Agreed - the yes camp has benefited from what I would consider illegal help from the EU. Things like printing an 'impartial' guide to the EU Constitution Lisbon Treaty and putting it inside every newspaper and O'Leary flying the unelected commissioners around in support of the yes camp.

An extremely sad day for democracy as far as 500m Europeans are concerned. All we can do now is hope that Poland and Czech Republic torpedo the whole process.

I will put some bubbly on ice, just in case though...

[Jasandjules]

I can only hope that the Irish stick to their original decision. In fact, I hope that they resent the fact that they are being asked to vote again because they gave the "wrong" decision.

There is no democracy at work here. Democracy spoke, and was ignored.

[thinfourth2]

And if they get it wrong this time will they keep asking them until they get it right

[Eric Mc]

The situation in Ireland has changed utterly in the past 18 months and the vote is taking place in a very different country. Also, some of the concerns that the Irish had about the Treaty (which were in many ways specific to Ireland) have now been reduced because of "guarantees" that these issues will always remain sovereign to Ireland. So, taking all these factors into account, I think a "Yes" vote is pretty much certain this time around.

One thing that has struck me is that some of the "No" campaigners are traditionally the type of individuals and parties who have it in for Britain. I saw a Sinn Fein campaigner on TV the other night stating why Sinn Fein is against the treaty. It would be ironic if parties like UKIP found itself having to ally itself with Sinn Fein ovet some issues - not that anyone in the UK will get a say in the matter.

[CoolC]

Eric Mc said:

not that anyone in the UK will get a say in the matter.

I take it Winky has voted "yes" for us, so we don't get it wrong. How very kind of him.

[pacman1]

So it'll be President Blair in a fortnight's time then.
Fantastic..

[The Black Flash]

That is all.

[Zod]

Maybe this will give Brown an idea for the election - when we don't vote Labour, make us vote again until we do.

[Jasandjules]

Zod said:

Maybe this will give Brown an idea for the election - when we don't vote Labour, make us vote again until we do.

Didn't they already try that by moving the constituent boundaries?

I just hope the Irish say No. That'll be a big F**k You, writ large.

[turbobloke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyASWt1Pwmw&fea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KAHlzEUC0E

[Spiritual_Beggar]

I really hope they vote 'NO'!

Putting aside all the sensible reasons not to join, could you honestly imagine Bliar as EU President?! After everything he's done recently!!!


I still can't understand why he is not being investigated for 'Lying' to the public for Political gain, and possible war crime charges!!!

[Dunk76]

Proof that democracy is as broken in Eire as it is in Britain - to hold a second referendum because you didn't like the results of the first one is an astonishing disregard for your people.

[Halb]

tank slapper said:

Unfortunately it looks like the last chance to avoid the Lisbon treaty is the Czech republic.

Not a referendum in the UK?

[pacman1]

turbobloke said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyASWt1Pwmw&fea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KAHlzEUC0E

Spot on.

[pacman1]

Halb said:

tank slapper said:

Unfortunately it looks like the last chance to avoid the Lisbon treaty is the Czech republic.

Not a referendum in the UK?

If it don't get ratified by the time Cameron becomes PM then Cameron has promised a UK referendum.

So it's down to the Irish and/or the Czecs to put a spanner in the works. Most of the twenty odd countries 'in favour' of the Lisbon treaty never gave their citizens the chance to say no.

[Soovy]

They're finishing the job that Adolf couldn't.

Absolute c ntery.

[unrepentant]

Looks like it's in the bag for the Yes camp.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/18a58e2a-af2c-11de-ba1c-...

[Spiritual_Beggar]

unrepentant said:

Looks like it's in the bag for the Yes camp.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/18a58e2a-af2c-11de-ba1c-...

From that article;

"A white-haired woman pensioner with a wheelie bag agreed, saying: “It’s a racket in a way. They are frightening people into saying Yes. They didn’t frighten me.”

She said, however, that she had, in the end, decided to vote Yes – as she had done in June 2008. “I wanted to vote against the government. I think this will be the last time I vote.”


Now where's that FacePalm pic when you need it!!