Prediction; Winky to step down
Discussion
Just gut feel. The groundwork has been laid for Winky to step down on health grounds, and avoid being humiliated at the polls.
Dark Lord Mandelson will be aware of the negative impact of keeping Winky in situ, and will be manoevering furiously.
A new leader will need time, so Winky has to go soon and give Mandelson time to sell this as a new party with a new start.
So, Winky to go within a month. I expect people like Purnell to emerge as contenders.
Dark Lord Mandelson will be aware of the negative impact of keeping Winky in situ, and will be manoevering furiously.
A new leader will need time, so Winky has to go soon and give Mandelson time to sell this as a new party with a new start.
So, Winky to go within a month. I expect people like Purnell to emerge as contenders.
Alan Johnson would be my favourite to actually turn the results around.
He was on Radio 4 the other morning and I actually warmed to him - I don't necessarily agree with his views, but he at least has some sincerity about him which is sorely lacking elsewhere in Labour.
The Unions absolutely detest him though, and I expect the Fiona Philips incident yesterday will do him more harm than good.
He was on Radio 4 the other morning and I actually warmed to him - I don't necessarily agree with his views, but he at least has some sincerity about him which is sorely lacking elsewhere in Labour.
The Unions absolutely detest him though, and I expect the Fiona Philips incident yesterday will do him more harm than good.
Dunk76 said:
Alan Johnson would be my favourite to actually turn the results around.
He was on Radio 4 the other morning and I actually warmed to him - I don't necessarily agree with his views, but he at least has some sincerity about him which is sorely lacking elsewhere in Labour.
The Unions absolutely detest him though, and I expect the Fiona Philips incident yesterday will do him more harm than good.
Possibly, just doesnt look credible to me. Voldemort will decide.He was on Radio 4 the other morning and I actually warmed to him - I don't necessarily agree with his views, but he at least has some sincerity about him which is sorely lacking elsewhere in Labour.
The Unions absolutely detest him though, and I expect the Fiona Philips incident yesterday will do him more harm than good.
Dunk76 said:
Alan Johnson would be my favourite to actually turn the results around.
He was on Radio 4 the other morning and I actually warmed to him - I don't necessarily agree with his views, but he at least has some sincerity about him which is sorely lacking elsewhere in Labour.
The Unions absolutely detest him though, and I expect the Fiona Philips incident yesterday will do him more harm than good.
I missed this - what happened?He was on Radio 4 the other morning and I actually warmed to him - I don't necessarily agree with his views, but he at least has some sincerity about him which is sorely lacking elsewhere in Labour.
The Unions absolutely detest him though, and I expect the Fiona Philips incident yesterday will do him more harm than good.
TankRizzo said:
Dunk76 said:
Alan Johnson would be my favourite to actually turn the results around.
He was on Radio 4 the other morning and I actually warmed to him - I don't necessarily agree with his views, but he at least has some sincerity about him which is sorely lacking elsewhere in Labour.
The Unions absolutely detest him though, and I expect the Fiona Philips incident yesterday will do him more harm than good.
I missed this - what happened?He was on Radio 4 the other morning and I actually warmed to him - I don't necessarily agree with his views, but he at least has some sincerity about him which is sorely lacking elsewhere in Labour.
The Unions absolutely detest him though, and I expect the Fiona Philips incident yesterday will do him more harm than good.
You are presuming that Labour want to win the next election, but do they really?
Of course Winky wants to stay on forever as PM (probably have to call security to get him out of No 10 if he loses). But does the Labour movement really want to cut departmental spending by 10% in real terms in 4 years?. I suspect not.
They want to sit it out at the sidelines while moaning about heartless Tory 'cuts'
Of course Winky wants to stay on forever as PM (probably have to call security to get him out of No 10 if he loses). But does the Labour movement really want to cut departmental spending by 10% in real terms in 4 years?. I suspect not.
They want to sit it out at the sidelines while moaning about heartless Tory 'cuts'
Be buggered if I can't find it now, and I'm sure I didn't imagine it this morning.
Fiona Philips (I think that's her name) introduced Alan Johnson on GMTV (or whatever brain rot show she's on) with probably the most gushing introduction, including 'I love him', ever seen on the box - it was truly stomach churning. Even Johnson looked uncomfortable.
Fiona Philips (I think that's her name) introduced Alan Johnson on GMTV (or whatever brain rot show she's on) with probably the most gushing introduction, including 'I love him', ever seen on the box - it was truly stomach churning. Even Johnson looked uncomfortable.
JagLover said:
You are presuming that Labour want to win the next election, but do they really?
Of course Winky wants to stay on forever as PM (probably have to call security to get him out of No 10 if he loses). But does the Labour movement really want to cut departmental spending by 10% in real terms in 4 years?. I suspect not.
They want to sit it out at the sidelines while moaning about heartless Tory 'cuts'
No, I am assuming that as many Labour MP's as possible want to keep their jobs. Of course Winky wants to stay on forever as PM (probably have to call security to get him out of No 10 if he loses). But does the Labour movement really want to cut departmental spending by 10% in real terms in 4 years?. I suspect not.
They want to sit it out at the sidelines while moaning about heartless Tory 'cuts'
Dunk76 said:
Be buggered if I can't find it now, and I'm sure I didn't imagine it this morning.
Fiona Philips (I think that's her name) introduced Alan Johnson on GMTV (or whatever brain rot show she's on) with probably the most gushing introduction, including 'I love him', ever seen on the box - it was truly stomach churning. Even Johnson looked uncomfortable.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...Fiona Philips (I think that's her name) introduced Alan Johnson on GMTV (or whatever brain rot show she's on) with probably the most gushing introduction, including 'I love him', ever seen on the box - it was truly stomach churning. Even Johnson looked uncomfortable.
Having said the above I read recently that there is a major back bench labour committee chairmanship coming up and that one of the candidates is someone who was vociferously calling for Brown to step down. It was suggested that if he were to be elected chair by his fellow Labour MP's Brown would be in a very sticky position. Can't remember the details.
unrepentant said:
I think he will hang on. Labour MP's know that they are going to be trounced and that whilst a change may save a few seats it won't save the election. Who in their right mind would want to take over now in the knowledge that they are going to get spanked at the polls.
I think most will assume that Labour will lose. So its nothing about who gets to govern and all about keeping as many of them as possible in jobs. Just self interest.JagLover said:
You are presuming that Labour want to win the next election, but do they really?
Yes they do. Not only because I fear Winky has a genuine belief that he really is the "best man for the job" (which is why I don't think he'll step down - he'll need to fall over in No 10 bleeding whilst moaning "Et Tu, Mandy") but also because if they ARE voted out they will find it MUCH more difficult to get media time - and it's their lifeblood. Time in front of the camera so people know your names is REALLY important in getting the floating voters to remember you come the time they have to put ticks in boxes...It's a lot harder to get elected as the opposition than it is to get re-elected as the incumbent for this reason. Remember - Britain votes b
ds out. People who are "ticking along as normal" stay in power.But who the hell knows what's going to happen. I don't. I just have a dream...
Jasandjules said:
My prediction is they will keep him. That way, when they are trounced in the Polls, they can blame winky and not the Labour Party and it's general destruction of our country.
They can do that anyway if they change to someone more acceptable. If the polls indicate that Winky is a millstone then self-interest should take over.In the past that would have been a complete no-no for Labour. Hell, remember Foot?
Now, with Voldemort calling the shots I expect cold calculation.
s2art said:
unrepentant said:
I think he will hang on. Labour MP's know that they are going to be trounced and that whilst a change may save a few seats it won't save the election. Who in their right mind would want to take over now in the knowledge that they are going to get spanked at the polls.
I think most will assume that Labour will lose. So its nothing about who gets to govern and all about keeping as many of them as possible in jobs. Just self interest.But the majority are in seats that would only ever elect a Labour MP. hence they can take a long view.
JagLover said:
s2art said:
unrepentant said:
I think he will hang on. Labour MP's know that they are going to be trounced and that whilst a change may save a few seats it won't save the election. Who in their right mind would want to take over now in the knowledge that they are going to get spanked at the polls.
I think most will assume that Labour will lose. So its nothing about who gets to govern and all about keeping as many of them as possible in jobs. Just self interest.But the majority are in seats that would only ever elect a Labour MP. hence they can take a long view.
s2art said:
JagLover said:
s2art said:
unrepentant said:
I think he will hang on. Labour MP's know that they are going to be trounced and that whilst a change may save a few seats it won't save the election. Who in their right mind would want to take over now in the knowledge that they are going to get spanked at the polls.
I think most will assume that Labour will lose. So its nothing about who gets to govern and all about keeping as many of them as possible in jobs. Just self interest.But the majority are in seats that would only ever elect a Labour MP. hence they can take a long view.
Of course many more will probably be lost. But that will still leave many safe seats in the urban North and elsewhere. Even Michael Foot won 209 seats (with the SDP/Liberals polling 25%)
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