Poll puts Labour in 3rd
Discussion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8279701.stm
BBC said:
...it comes as a new opinion poll suggests the party is heading for a crushing general election defeat.
The Ipsos Mori survey puts the Tories on 36%, Labour on 24% and the Liberal Democrats on 25%.
That compares with last month's results which had the Tories 43%, Labour 26% and the Liberal Democrats 17%.
It is the first time Labour have been in third place since February 1982, when they were on 33% compared to 34% for the Liberal-SDP Alliance.
In a separate poll for BBC Two's Newsnight almost two thirds of voters surveyed said their view of the Labour Party has worsened since Gordon Brown took over as leader.
ORB interviewed 1,056 UK adults aged 18 and over by telephone between September 11 and 14.
The Ipsos Mori survey puts the Tories on 36%, Labour on 24% and the Liberal Democrats on 25%.
That compares with last month's results which had the Tories 43%, Labour 26% and the Liberal Democrats 17%.
It is the first time Labour have been in third place since February 1982, when they were on 33% compared to 34% for the Liberal-SDP Alliance.
In a separate poll for BBC Two's Newsnight almost two thirds of voters surveyed said their view of the Labour Party has worsened since Gordon Brown took over as leader.
ORB interviewed 1,056 UK adults aged 18 and over by telephone between September 11 and 14.
Frankly if the Lib Dems become the official opposition I'd be delighted.
They still have absolutely no chance of ever forming a government - so that's OK. And it would mean that nearly all the media's attention would be focussed on Call Me Dave's mob and Nick Clegg's loonies - exiling the current bunch of evil b
ds to the political wastelands - hopefully never to return.
IF it pans out this way...I don't think we'll see a Labour government again for more than a decade - and possibly longer.
IF.
No one should be complacent about the next election.
They still have absolutely no chance of ever forming a government - so that's OK. And it would mean that nearly all the media's attention would be focussed on Call Me Dave's mob and Nick Clegg's loonies - exiling the current bunch of evil b
ds to the political wastelands - hopefully never to return.IF it pans out this way...I don't think we'll see a Labour government again for more than a decade - and possibly longer.
IF.
No one should be complacent about the next election.
Don said:
IF it pans out this way...I don't think we'll see a Labour government again for more than a decade - and possibly longer.
IF.
I hear your loud "IF's", but fear things will be rather different. IF.
The coming election will be a very good one to lose. There is a LOT of sh t waiting to hit the fan in the coming term. Whoever is in power will take the blame for all that mess, and may well not last more than the term.
A nastier (and, I would posit, more likely) scenario is that the Tories win the coming election (possibly with a LibDem alliance), find themselves holding a VERY nasty baby and NuNuLabour find themselves heading for 10 Downing Street in 2014.
Oli.
zcacogp said:
Don said:
IF it pans out this way...I don't think we'll see a Labour government again for more than a decade - and possibly longer.
IF.
I hear your loud "IF's", but fear things will be rather different. IF.
The coming election will be a very good one to lose. There is a LOT of sh t waiting to hit the fan in the coming term. Whoever is in power will take the blame for all that mess, and may well not last more than the term.
A nastier (and, I would posit, more likely) scenario is that the Tories win the coming election (possibly with a LibDem alliance), find themselves holding a VERY nasty baby and NuNuLabour find themselves heading for 10 Downing Street in 2014.
Oli.
zcacogp said:
Don said:
IF it pans out this way...I don't think we'll see a Labour government again for more than a decade - and possibly longer.
IF.
I hear your loud "IF's", but fear things will be rather different. IF.
The coming election will be a very good one to lose. There is a LOT of sh t waiting to hit the fan in the coming term. Whoever is in power will take the blame for all that mess, and may well not last more than the term.
A nastier (and, I would posit, more likely) scenario is that the Tories win the coming election (possibly with a LibDem alliance), find themselves holding a VERY nasty baby and NuNuLabour find themselves heading for 10 Downing Street in 2014.
Oli.
BOR said:
Sunday 31st May
That poll is only a snapshot of the current moment in time.
As voters come to their senses, it won't take much of a percentage swing from Conservative to LibDem, for the LibDems to have a very real shot of winning the next election,particularly if there is tactical voting by dis-enchanted Labour voters.
So, it now looks like the LibDems have pulled 7% of the vote away from the Conservatives. As LIBDEM start looking less like a wasted vote, the Tory vote will crumble even further, and more LAB will throw their weight behind them.That poll is only a snapshot of the current moment in time.
As voters come to their senses, it won't take much of a percentage swing from Conservative to LibDem, for the LibDems to have a very real shot of winning the next election,particularly if there is tactical voting by dis-enchanted Labour voters.
As much as I dis-like tactical voting, it could be a good way to destroy the Tory majority, and if LAB and LIBDEM parties have some sense, to not stand against each other in seats where it could split the non-Tory vote.
Halb said:
deevlash said:
the Lib dems are doing a great PR job just now, theyll be getting a bounce from all the conference coverage and exposure. Can they keep it up?
I hope so. I wouldn't like to see a Cameron presidential PMship like we had in '97.With a lot of hard work they could do it. Seeing Lab in 3rd might see financial support for the party disappear, they go bust, then can't even hope to fight a 2014 election.
Well, that's my hope of all hopes really.
BOR said:
BOR said:
Sunday 31st May
That poll is only a snapshot of the current moment in time.
As voters come to their senses, it won't take much of a percentage swing from Conservative to LibDem, for the LibDems to have a very real shot of winning the next election,particularly if there is tactical voting by dis-enchanted Labour voters.
So, it now looks like the LibDems have pulled 7% of the vote away from the Conservatives. As LIBDEM start looking less like a wasted vote, the Tory vote will crumble even further, and more LAB will throw their weight behind them.That poll is only a snapshot of the current moment in time.
As voters come to their senses, it won't take much of a percentage swing from Conservative to LibDem, for the LibDems to have a very real shot of winning the next election,particularly if there is tactical voting by dis-enchanted Labour voters.
As much as I dis-like tactical voting, it could be a good way to destroy the Tory majority, and if LAB and LIBDEM parties have some sense, to not stand against each other in seats where it could split the non-Tory vote.
By destroying Labour, the LibDems have a much stronger chance of regaining a semblance of being a credible party. They'll need to start in opposition, and this is their opportunity.
BOR said:
BOR said:
Sunday 31st May
That poll is only a snapshot of the current moment in time.
As voters come to their senses, it won't take much of a percentage swing from Conservative to LibDem, for the LibDems to have a very real shot of winning the next election,particularly if there is tactical voting by dis-enchanted Labour voters.
So, it now looks like the LibDems have pulled 7% of the vote away from the Conservatives. As LIBDEM start looking less like a wasted vote, the Tory vote will crumble even further, and more LAB will throw their weight behind them.That poll is only a snapshot of the current moment in time.
As voters come to their senses, it won't take much of a percentage swing from Conservative to LibDem, for the LibDems to have a very real shot of winning the next election,particularly if there is tactical voting by dis-enchanted Labour voters.
As much as I dis-like tactical voting, it could be a good way to destroy the Tory majority, and if LAB and LIBDEM parties have some sense, to not stand against each other in seats where it could split the non-Tory vote.
Lots of people, when asked by a pollster, say "Liberal Democrat".
Fewer actually tick the LD box when faced with a ballot paper.
In May at the latest, there will be a Conservative government. The only real element that is up for debate is the size of the majority.
BOR said:
BOR said:
Sunday 31st May
That poll is only a snapshot of the current moment in time.
As voters come to their senses, it won't take much of a percentage swing from Conservative to LibDem, for the LibDems to have a very real shot of winning the next election,particularly if there is tactical voting by dis-enchanted Labour voters.
So, it now looks like the LibDems have pulled 7% of the vote away from the Conservatives. As LIBDEM start looking less like a wasted vote, the Tory vote will crumble even further, and more LAB will throw their weight behind them.That poll is only a snapshot of the current moment in time.
As voters come to their senses, it won't take much of a percentage swing from Conservative to LibDem, for the LibDems to have a very real shot of winning the next election,particularly if there is tactical voting by dis-enchanted Labour voters.
As much as I dis-like tactical voting, it could be a good way to destroy the Tory majority, and if LAB and LIBDEM parties have some sense, to not stand against each other in seats where it could split the non-Tory vote.
Puggit said:
I believe the LibDems have already stated they are going after Labour for this election. The beast is badly wounded, and blood can be smelt. The LibDems would be foolish to go after the Tories when it will be so much easier to turn the disenchanted Labour voters round.
By destroying Labour, the LibDems have a much stronger chance of regaining a semblance of being a credible party. They'll need to start in opposition, and this is their opportunity.
AgreedBy destroying Labour, the LibDems have a much stronger chance of regaining a semblance of being a credible party. They'll need to start in opposition, and this is their opportunity.
This is an historic opportunity for the Lib Dems. It still remains very unlikely, but they do at least have a chance of displacing Labour as the main party of the left in many more areas of England.
JagLover said:
Puggit said:
I believe the LibDems have already stated they are going after Labour for this election. The beast is badly wounded, and blood can be smelt. The LibDems would be foolish to go after the Tories when it will be so much easier to turn the disenchanted Labour voters round.
By destroying Labour, the LibDems have a much stronger chance of regaining a semblance of being a credible party. They'll need to start in opposition, and this is their opportunity.
AgreedBy destroying Labour, the LibDems have a much stronger chance of regaining a semblance of being a credible party. They'll need to start in opposition, and this is their opportunity.
This is an historic opportunity for the Lib Dems. It still remains very unlikely, but they do at least have a chance of displacing Labour as the main party of the left in many more areas of England.
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