What happens after social democracy?
Discussion
I was trying to bash this out with a mate the other day. We were sat overlooking some derilect mining ground and pondered the evolution of capital, power and what happens next.
In short, the lords owned everything and profited off menial work/primaries.
Lords sold their land and people with drive made profits.
The country boomed home and abroad.
Crunch time saw people fall into poverty. Welfare state was created/evolved.
Since then, the government has grown bigger and more pervasive. Gradually, it is less of a parasite on "abroad" and is finding it more tricky to raise money to fund this lot.
Here we are with no primary industry (largely regulated out of existence by the union which was meant to facilitate trade). A giant breeding population and the onslaught of the totalitarian superstate into managing, regulating, monitoring and taxing every aspect of your lives. We have a massive population who's quality of life is dependent on the parasitic bloodsucking of the government on hard graft and success. Needless to say this "redistribution of wealth" dressed up with a nod to industry is branded as "the third way". We have 3 parties who have no choice but to continue the socialist aspect of this, as it is totally necessary. We are overpopulated and you can't just go slinging people into poverty, can you. The sad thing is that due to regulation from the superstate and the hyperstate over the water, it seems that funding measures for this programme are destined to fall short (as they already are) and the thing is heading towards a wall at high speed. Not even pre-election denial, dithering and bulls
t can avert this simple fact.......
Where is it going next?
1. Back to libertarian capitalism...?
We'd all like to think so. As people who get off their arses and expect nothing from anyone, we would like Cameron to get up, drop his trousers and let his epic scrotum swing in it's hairy, sweaty glory, before unleashing a withering, relentless attack on these parasities and parasitic institutions that stifle success, inter and extra.
2. Continue the way it is?
Can't happen, unless we plan on growing enough food to eat, as the necessary money printing will devalue our currency beyond belief. Having said, that that will be great for foreign investors who fancy mining our now superduper cheap minerals. (I gather there is very serious interest in various UK minerals from abroad at the moment, namely tungsten and tin, but also copper). Interesting one this. No amount of quantitative easing or public sector stimulus is likely to spin the engine fast enough for it to start, as debt and lack of real productivity are tangled around the flywheel...
3. Push for more integration into the EU.
If our country is totally fked and is completely out of whack with it's spending, refusing to allow any primary industry to develop and taxing the tits off anything that even raises an eyebrow to success, it follows that we will head into a pit that a solution will be to dissolve the barriers and allow greater flow of cash around the EU, possibly with a massive relocation of government and associated cost cutting. (this assumes that the EU is such a big ship and big ships never sink.....it appears to have a few big holes near the waterline though....but OK as Germany is it's bilge pump). I wonder about this option. I could put my tin foil hat on and ask why there is no opposition to this U.S.E which seems inevitable. In suppose it's a way that allows us to continue practising 2, whilst allowing the scale of governmental control desired by the government.
Whatever does happen, I suspect that beyond that 1 is the most unlikely option to be pushed by whoever, even though it will be a tool which will allow a tiny bit of time-buying.
As Marx said, England could never have a revolution as we enjoy to many comforts. That's the same with how we are now.
There has to be a solution to the non-workable "third way cum social democracy". I don't expect a slight return to libertarian capitalism. So what is the future then? Federal Socialist Europe? What happens when that gets skint?
Hmmmm. Your thoughts?
In short, the lords owned everything and profited off menial work/primaries.
Lords sold their land and people with drive made profits.
The country boomed home and abroad.
Crunch time saw people fall into poverty. Welfare state was created/evolved.
Since then, the government has grown bigger and more pervasive. Gradually, it is less of a parasite on "abroad" and is finding it more tricky to raise money to fund this lot.
Here we are with no primary industry (largely regulated out of existence by the union which was meant to facilitate trade). A giant breeding population and the onslaught of the totalitarian superstate into managing, regulating, monitoring and taxing every aspect of your lives. We have a massive population who's quality of life is dependent on the parasitic bloodsucking of the government on hard graft and success. Needless to say this "redistribution of wealth" dressed up with a nod to industry is branded as "the third way". We have 3 parties who have no choice but to continue the socialist aspect of this, as it is totally necessary. We are overpopulated and you can't just go slinging people into poverty, can you. The sad thing is that due to regulation from the superstate and the hyperstate over the water, it seems that funding measures for this programme are destined to fall short (as they already are) and the thing is heading towards a wall at high speed. Not even pre-election denial, dithering and bulls
t can avert this simple fact.......Where is it going next?
1. Back to libertarian capitalism...?
We'd all like to think so. As people who get off their arses and expect nothing from anyone, we would like Cameron to get up, drop his trousers and let his epic scrotum swing in it's hairy, sweaty glory, before unleashing a withering, relentless attack on these parasities and parasitic institutions that stifle success, inter and extra.
2. Continue the way it is?
Can't happen, unless we plan on growing enough food to eat, as the necessary money printing will devalue our currency beyond belief. Having said, that that will be great for foreign investors who fancy mining our now superduper cheap minerals. (I gather there is very serious interest in various UK minerals from abroad at the moment, namely tungsten and tin, but also copper). Interesting one this. No amount of quantitative easing or public sector stimulus is likely to spin the engine fast enough for it to start, as debt and lack of real productivity are tangled around the flywheel...
3. Push for more integration into the EU.
If our country is totally f
ked and is completely out of whack with it's spending, refusing to allow any primary industry to develop and taxing the tits off anything that even raises an eyebrow to success, it follows that we will head into a pit that a solution will be to dissolve the barriers and allow greater flow of cash around the EU, possibly with a massive relocation of government and associated cost cutting. (this assumes that the EU is such a big ship and big ships never sink.....it appears to have a few big holes near the waterline though....but OK as Germany is it's bilge pump). I wonder about this option. I could put my tin foil hat on and ask why there is no opposition to this U.S.E which seems inevitable. In suppose it's a way that allows us to continue practising 2, whilst allowing the scale of governmental control desired by the government. Whatever does happen, I suspect that beyond that 1 is the most unlikely option to be pushed by whoever, even though it will be a tool which will allow a tiny bit of time-buying.
As Marx said, England could never have a revolution as we enjoy to many comforts. That's the same with how we are now.
There has to be a solution to the non-workable "third way cum social democracy". I don't expect a slight return to libertarian capitalism. So what is the future then? Federal Socialist Europe? What happens when that gets skint?
Hmmmm. Your thoughts?
Gedon said:
In short, the lords owned everything and profited off menial work/primaries.
Lords sold their land and people with drive made profits.
The country boomed home and abroad.
Crunch time saw people fall into poverty. Welfare state was created/evolved.
I suspect there was a lot of poverty in these halcyon days....Lords sold their land and people with drive made profits.
The country boomed home and abroad.
Crunch time saw people fall into poverty. Welfare state was created/evolved.
Gedon said:
I wonder about this option. I could put my tin foil hat on and ask why there is no opposition to this U.S.E which seems inevitable. In suppose it's a way that allows us to continue practising 2, whilst allowing the scale of governmental control desired by the government.
Exactly that, I fear.chris watton said:
I think Germany may find out.....
Explain? I can't see PIGS hanging on to MU, given how screwed they are and how they need to devalue their currency in order to gain investment.
I can't see Germany going along with funding the whole thing. Do Germany have a "UKIP" (lol) a "DIP".... I wonder what the sentiment is over there. Most people I speak to are anti Federal EU, apart from the few who work for enormous companies or are socialist eutopians. Perhaps they are infected with the same "stupid" virus that we appear to be.
I can't see the long term future for monetry union. It really isn't working and it's false strength (thanks ex-dollar investors) is crippling all of it's members, with the effect that Germany (and US-I imagine) will have to fund this fiasco. It is even less sustainable than our f
ked up circumstance. At least we can devalue our currency to gain tourism/investment. Shame we don't make anything really. I can see how the PIGS quite liked the idea of a ride on the gravytrain, but it's inflexibility is destroying their ability to produce/facilitate. I can't see why any "net contributor" would think that this was in any shape or form, a good idea. Whilst the original "common market" was a great idea, I can't see why (and I'd really like to know why) there is a push for undemocratic, totalitarian socialist waste......
I'd like to see the BOE put up interest rates, stop printing money, thus getting foreign investment. Cut the hell out of the public sector and benefits. There would be a lot of people in the s
t, but we could see they were fed. The resulting unemployed are free to start their own operations up/move elsewhere. In essence, a return to the more sustainable libertarian low tax/low spend. You can bet your bottom dollar it won't happen though. All you need is an opposition to sell the "continue as normal". I was browsing through the paper at houses and it appears, around here, people still have 2007 ideas. It still hasn't really sunk in. There are a load of people having proper difficulties, but really, it hasn't bitten.
How can we continue along this path of printing money. Killing investment from overseas, spending left right and centre. Even if the stimulus works, what are we going to start mining, fishing, farming, processing or servicing to create general growth? I see the figures and no amount of creative accounting gets around the lack of this and the lack of funding we have.
If the solution cannot be (for socialist reasons) a return to smaller government and smaller tax/spend, how is there any future. Apart from ultimately becoming a EU leper state (with natural resources for the federation) ?
That's my take on it and I'd really like someone to explain what the official line is on it. As there has to be one, after all that is their JOB!!!!
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