Quick - turn to BBC1 & watch Question-Time......
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ClaphamGT3 said:
......Michael Heseltine is making absolute mincemeat of The hateful harridan, Harriet Harperson!!!!!!
I think he started well, but lost ground to the Lib Dem chap - don't start slating the mansion tax, when you introduced cahncil tax, you quiff haired buffoon, and calling the Jungle camp "residents" in France "economic migrants" is unlikely to have won over many people.Bing o said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
......Michael Heseltine is making absolute mincemeat of The hateful harridan, Harriet Harperson!!!!!!
I think he started well, but lost ground to the Lib Dem chap - don't start slating the mansion tax, when you introduced cahncil tax, you quiff haired buffoon, and calling the Jungle camp "residents" in France "economic migrants" is unlikely to have won over many people.I was a little disappointed that there wasn't a BNP representative on the panel as I thought was promised a few weeks ago. Judging by the reaction of the audience when that guy quoted the BNP about immigration, I think it would have made for great TV. I suppose they must realise that their racist views wouldn't stand up to QT audience scrutiny.
Hesseltine was spectacular...
Hesseltine was spectacular...
telecat said:
Bing o said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
......Michael Heseltine is making absolute mincemeat of The hateful harridan, Harriet Harperson!!!!!!
I think he started well, but lost ground to the Lib Dem chap - don't start slating the mansion tax, when you introduced cahncil tax, you quiff haired buffoon, and calling the Jungle camp "residents" in France "economic migrants" is unlikely to have won over many people.telecat said:
What's actually "fair" about rates?? Many people use the Council services and never pay for them. Council Tax should have worked pretty well. Unfortunately the great "unwashed" decided they liked using the services but didn't want to pay for them.
So the value of my flat determines how many services I use does it? b
ks.Anyway, my point was, for Hezzer to attack the LibDems over "Mansion taxes" is f
king hypocritical coming from the architect of the council tax, which is, guess what, a tax based on property values....Bing o said:
So the value of my flat determines how many services I use does it? bks.
Anyway, my point was, for Hezzer to attack the LibDems over "Mansion taxes" is fking hypocritical coming from the architect of the council tax, which is, guess what, a tax based on property values....
To be fair, it was a combination of the poll tax (which was deeply unpopular & hard to implement) and the old rateable-value system (much nearer to the derided 'mansion tax') -so i don't think you can stick this one as hypocritical. It's also capped at a much lower level and is quite progressive i.e. the council tax for Band G isn't a big jump from Band F.ks.Anyway, my point was, for Hezzer to attack the LibDems over "Mansion taxes" is f
king hypocritical coming from the architect of the council tax, which is, guess what, a tax based on property values....telecat said:
Bing o said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
......Michael Heseltine is making absolute mincemeat of The hateful harridan, Harriet Harperson!!!!!!
I think he started well, but lost ground to the Lib Dem chap - don't start slating the mansion tax, when you introduced cahncil tax, you quiff haired buffoon, and calling the Jungle camp "residents" in France "economic migrants" is unlikely to have won over many people.unrepentant said:
I think you mean the Community Charge. Council Tax is the rates under a different name. It was the Community Charge, AKA the Poll Tax, that the proletariat objected to.
But only those who deliberately had large families to get as much benefits as possible finding that the community charged was a charge per person per household, which makes perfect sense. A bigger household generating more rubbish and using up more services (more police effort to keep the extra drunks in order), in fact it's quite an environmental tax. At least it would be called such these days. But the great unwashed realised that their hard "earned" benefits were going to be reduced as they paid more back in tax. What a shame so they revolted and got their way, with hindsight a simple letter from the DSS requesting a means test would have soon dispersed the rabble.The should reintroduce it but call it Chav Tax, or possibly the Local Environment & Services Tax. Vote winner, especially with the mentalists of the enviro.
Poll Tax or any other attempt to raise taxes based on individual's income levels will always fail due to the extreme difficulty is assessing individuals at local Government levels. That was the reason it failed before (not due to riots). The councils just found it impossible to administer and collect.
If a property based tax is not palatable either, then the only alternative is the abolition of local government and local taxation completely and moving EVERYTHING into the hands of central government. We are almost there already as 75% of local government funding comes from central government.
If a property based tax is not palatable either, then the only alternative is the abolition of local government and local taxation completely and moving EVERYTHING into the hands of central government. We are almost there already as 75% of local government funding comes from central government.
Edited by Eric Mc on Friday 25th September 10:41
Eric Mc said:
Poll Tax or any other attempt to raise taxes based on individual's income levels will always fail due to the extreme difficulty is assessing individuals at local Government levels. That was the reason it failed before (not due to riots). The councils just found it impossible to administer and collect.
Poll tax wasn't income based, it was a flat tax. And it most definitely failed because of hostility from the general public, in fact it bought down Margaret Thatcher and John Major cancelled it almost as soon as he became PM in a populist move.Local income tax works perfectly well in America and it would be far easier to collect than the community cahrge was as it could be taken at source and then distributed down.
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