Bankers Pay.

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Fittster

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Thursday 24th September 2009
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Reuters reports:

“You wouldn’t know it by his pay stubs, but Jiang Jianqing heads the world’s largest bank.

“Jiang, chairman of Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, made just $234,700 in 2008. That’s less than 2 percent of the $19.6 million awarded to Jamie Dimon, chief executive of the world’s fourth-largest bank, JPMorgan Chase & Co.

“The contrast illustrates the massive differences in pay among the CEOs of the world’s top banks. The compensation of the CEOs of the largest US banks towers above what’s paid to banking chiefs in other parts of the world, according to a Reuters analysis of pay at the 18 biggest banks by market value.

“The United States is home to four of the nine largest banks in the world – JPMorgan, Bank of America Corp, Wells Fargo & Co and Citigroup Inc. It is also home to four of the six most handsomely rewarded bank CEOs.

“China, for example, boasts three of the world’s four biggest banks, yet the leaders of those banks – Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, China Construction Bank Corp and Bank of China – are among the lowest paid of those surveyed by Reuters. The chairman and the president of each of the banks are paid roughly $230,000 per year.”

Killer2005

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234 months

Thursday 24th September 2009
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Wish all people at banks were paid as well as they make out in the media frown

B16JUS

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243 months

Thursday 24th September 2009
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Killer2005 said:
Wish all people at banks were paid as well as they make out in the media frown
+ 1

do they think everyone who works in a investment bank earns millions crazy

hidetheelephants

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199 months

Thursday 24th September 2009
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This doesn't take into account the hot and cold running wenches in his office complex, the backhanders, and the power of life and death over his minions(I may be reaching here...); I bet Morgan Chase don't lay on hookers for board meetings.

Bing o

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225 months

Friday 25th September 2009
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hidetheelephants said:
This doesn't take into account the hot and cold running wenches in his office complex, the backhanders, and the power of life and death over his minions(I may be reaching here...); I bet Morgan Chase don't lay on hookers for board meetings.
I'll take your cash....

theaxe

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228 months

Friday 25th September 2009
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Communism seems like an extreme solution to the banking crisis.

Bing o

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Friday 25th September 2009
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theaxe said:
Communism seems like an extreme solution to the banking crisis.
China is becoming less communist.

Have the major Chinese banks required a bail out?

HSBC ha scome out of the crisis better than most partly or mainly due to its regulation in Hong Kong IIRC.

Maybe the Chinese attitude to saving rather than debt creation is something to be admired, and copied?

Marf

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247 months

Friday 25th September 2009
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Head of bank in communist china makes less than head of bank in cradle of capitalism.

How utterly shocking. rolleyes

bonsai

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Friday 25th September 2009
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But how much does his $200k buy him in China? Quite a lot I would imagine.

Fittster

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Friday 25th September 2009
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Marf said:
Head of bank in communist china makes less than head of bank in cradle of capitalism.

How utterly shocking. rolleyes
What exactly do bankers in the West do to deserve a far greater salary?

Marf

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Friday 25th September 2009
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Fittster said:
Marf said:
Head of bank in communist china makes less than head of bank in cradle of capitalism.

How utterly shocking. rolleyes
What exactly do bankers in the West do to deserve a far greater salary?
I'm not going to get into a debate about bankers pay, frankly I think the whole topic is just crass.

The fact is that bank is owned by the Chinese State, a communist state, so its hardly surprising that it pays its top man far less than its capitalist western equivalent.

Fittster

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Friday 25th September 2009
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Marf said:
The fact is that bank is owned by the Chinese State, a communist state, so its hardly surprising that it pays its top man far less than its capitalist western equivalent.
You are incorrect. The banks are publicly listed.

grumbledoak

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239 months

Friday 25th September 2009
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Fittster said:
The banks are publicly listed.
If you believe that means that the Old Thugs don't have a considerable level of leverage you are truly deluded. China is very much still a Communist state. Except where it suits them.

Marf

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Friday 25th September 2009
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Fittster said:
Marf said:
The fact is that bank is owned by the Chinese State, a communist state, so its hardly surprising that it pays its top man far less than its capitalist western equivalent.
You are incorrect. The banks are publicly listed.
Perhaps you should go and look who owns the shares.

Fittster

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Friday 25th September 2009
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Marf said:
Fittster said:
Marf said:
The fact is that bank is owned by the Chinese State, a communist state, so its hardly surprising that it pays its top man far less than its capitalist western equivalent.
You are incorrect. The banks are publicly listed.
Perhaps you should go and look who owns the shares.
And Western Government don't hold lots of shares in their banks?

Marf

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Friday 25th September 2009
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Fittster said:
Marf said:
Fittster said:
Marf said:
The fact is that bank is owned by the Chinese State, a communist state, so its hardly surprising that it pays its top man far less than its capitalist western equivalent.
You are incorrect. The banks are publicly listed.
Perhaps you should go and look who owns the shares.
And Western Government don't hold lots of shares in their banks?
They do now yes, but I'm not sure what the point is your making. Western Governments arent communist. And the Chinese Government doesnt own "lots of shares", they own 100% of the main voting classes of shares. Its a state owned bank.

Face it, this is a non story, its just the media feeding off the bankers=wkers sentiment held by many people.


Edited by Marf on Friday 25th September 16:46

Fittster

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Friday 25th September 2009
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Marf said:
Fittster said:
Marf said:
Fittster said:
Marf said:
The fact is that bank is owned by the Chinese State, a communist state, so its hardly surprising that it pays its top man far less than its capitalist western equivalent.
You are incorrect. The banks are publicly listed.
Perhaps you should go and look who owns the shares.
And Western Government don't hold lots of shares in their banks?
They do now yes, but I'm not sure what the point is your making. Western Governments arent communist.

Face it, this is a non story, its just the media feeding off the bankers=wkers sentiment held by many people.

Edited by Marf on Friday 25th September 16:45
The government of China is only communist in name.

The point is that the argument of 'Paying for talent' doesn't stack up at all. The heads of many Western public companies are vastly overpaid for the results they produce.

Marf

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Friday 25th September 2009
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Really? so China isnt an oppressive one party state? scratchchin

Fittster, usually I agree with alot of what you post, but in this instance, I think you are grasping at straws. Red straws. smile

fido

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Friday 25th September 2009
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Fittster said:
The point is that the argument of 'Paying for talent' doesn't stack up at all. The heads of many Western public companies are vastly overpaid for the results they produce.
But that's true of many industries, not just banking, so why make a specific point about this industry?

Fittster

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Friday 25th September 2009
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fido said:
Fittster said:
The point is that the argument of 'Paying for talent' doesn't stack up at all. The heads of many Western public companies are vastly overpaid for the results they produce.
But that's true of many industries, not just banking, so why make a specific point about this industry?
Because there was a report on it by Reuters this week. But if you want a broader picture buy moneyweek magazine which contains the following this week:

"Sliding share prices have not stopped executives raking it in. Between 2000 and 2008 the FTSE dipped 30% but the cash paid to executives rose by 80% on average".



Edited by Fittster on Friday 25th September 17:19