Murder mother's abuse 'ignored'

[Mclovin]

A mother who killed herself and her disabled daughter in a burning car had contacted police more than 30 times about abuse claims, an inquest heard.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/...

I bet those abuse claims will still be completely ignored....

[Police State]

It's time to put the whole judicery system on trial.

This dispicable and tragic crime should become the very the basis of a nationwide public enquiry, and from it's almost inevitable outcome, the recommendations should form the basis of what the public should and WILL expect from the police service.

[greygoose]

Police State said:

It's time to put the whole judicery system on trial.

This dispicable and tragic crime should become the very the basis of a nationwide public enquiry, and from it's almost inevitable outcome, the recommendations should form the basis of what the public should and WILL expect from the police service.

Doesn't it depend on how much the public are willing to pay though (both for police officers and prisons for offenders)?

[Parrot of Doom]

Police State said:

It's time to put the whole judicery system on trial.

This dispicable and tragic crime should become the very the basis of a nationwide public enquiry, and from it's almost inevitable outcome, the recommendations should form the basis of what the public should and WILL expect from the police service.

Really. So where were her neighbours while this was happening?

The police can't do everything. The public can expect what they like of the police, but first they should be prepared to get off their collective arse and stick up for their neighbours.

[s2art]

Parrot of Doom said:

Police State said:

It's time to put the whole judicery system on trial.

This dispicable and tragic crime should become the very the basis of a nationwide public enquiry, and from it's almost inevitable outcome, the recommendations should form the basis of what the public should and WILL expect from the police service.

Really. So where were her neighbours while this was happening?

The police can't do everything. The public can expect what they like of the police, but first they should be prepared to get off their collective arse and stick up for their neighbours.

And then get prosecuted for daring to try.

[anonymous-user]

Regardless of fault, it's such an utterly sad story

But at the same time you have to wonder where everybody else was in this story. Neighbours? Friends? Family? What happened to a sense of community? Obviously I can't speak for everybody but if my neighbours were being persecuted by little sts like that then I'd be out there like a shot, and I'd like to hope that I wouldn't let anything like that happen to any friends of mine.

[wendyg]

Ok this is complete Devil's advocate stuff.

Is it not possible that she had some sort of persecution delusion? It IS feasible that she was the one with the mental disorder, and the harrassment was not real.

Regardless of that, it is a tragedy, for both of them. The lady was troubled, and they both bore the consequences

[Police State]

Parrot of Doom said:

Police State said:

It's time to put the whole judicery system on trial.

This dispicable and tragic crime should become the very the basis of a nationwide public enquiry, and from it's almost inevitable outcome, the recommendations should form the basis of what the public should and WILL expect from the police service.

Really. So where were her neighbours while this was happening?

The police can't do everything. The public can expect what they like of the police, but first they should be prepared to get off their collective arse and stick up for their neighbours.

and where was the patch commander?, where was the unit commander?, where was the duty seargent?, where are the call logs?, where were social services?, The police can't do everything you say; I agree with you 100%, which is why I say this case should form the basis of a major enquiry; the buck starts with them, and ends somewhere else.

[esselte]

Parrot of Doom said:

Police State said:

It's time to put the whole judicery system on trial.

This dispicable and tragic crime should become the very the basis of a nationwide public enquiry, and from it's almost inevitable outcome, the recommendations should form the basis of what the public should and WILL expect from the police service.

Really. So where were her neighbours while this was happening?

The police can't do everything. The public can expect what they like of the police, but first they should be prepared to get off their collective arse and stick up for their neighbours.

But yet everytime we see BiB on TV they say to not take the law into our own hands,they'll sort it out...?

[Mclovin]

i wouldnt be surprised if the people living near them either didnt care or didnt want to involve themselves for fear that their families would be targetted and the police ignore their pleas for help.....a law needs to be enacted to make parents responsible for the crimes of their kids then i think parents would be more inclined to take a frickin interest in what their kids do...

[alfabadass]

The "abuse" was over 15 years. Unless it was Peter Pan, I doubt it was the same kids or group.

The mother and daughter had issues and Social Services should have become involved. The only thing the Police can be blamed for is not piecing it all together and getting this family moved.

Locking up the local kids wouldnt have helped, as it's not as if they'd go to prison and they'd not give a st about the Police anyway.

[Police State]

alfabadass said:

The "abuse" was over 15 years. Unless it was Peter Pan, I doubt it was the same kids or group.

The mother and daughter had issues and Social Services should have become involved. The only thing the Police can be blamed for is not piecing it all together and getting this family moved.

Locking up the local kids wouldnt have helped, as it's not as if they'd go to prison and they'd not give a st about the Police anyway.

It almost certainly wasn't the same kids; but it was the same old victims. There's every likelyhood that it was sucessive generations of scummy kids doing their apprenticeships picking on the 'resident' easily targeted victims just like their predecessors had tutored them. Like I said earlier, this case (which is far from unique) should form the basis of a comprehensive public enquiry. I suspect there is much to learn from this, but only if a subsequent enquiry and its results are aired publicly; otherwise the usual suspects in authority will just conduct a handwringing excersise in public relations.

[ExChrispy Porker]

Police State said:

alfabadass said:

The "abuse" was over 15 years. Unless it was Peter Pan, I doubt it was the same kids or group.

The mother and daughter had issues and Social Services should have become involved. The only thing the Police can be blamed for is not piecing it all together and getting this family moved.

Locking up the local kids wouldnt have helped, as it's not as if they'd go to prison and they'd not give a st about the Police anyway.

It almost certainly wasn't the same kids; but it was the same old victims. There's every likelyhood that it was sucessive generations of scummy kids doing their apprenticeships picking on the 'resident' easily targeted victims just like their predecessors had tutored them. Like I said earlier, this case (which is far from unique) should form the basis of a comprehensive public enquiry. I suspect there is much to learn from this, but only if a subsequent enquiry and its results are aired publicly; otherwise the usual suspects in authority will just conduct a handwringing excersise in public relations.

I would agree. But only if the scum lowlife who tormented these poor people were subsequently punished. (Any other enquiry would be pointless) Frankly I feel that that is unlikely hpwever.

[poo at Paul's]

This happened not far from where i used to live. I did not know them, but the local opinion was that this happened over a long time, and was sustained in that respect, but the abuse in the most part was fairly benign, childish pranks if you like. However, not ALL of it was, so I think the problem is that the authorities got the "cry wolf" attitude to it all, and when it was serious, (threats with knives etc) did not take it as seriously as maybe they should've.

It's a very sad case and upset a lot of decent people. I can only imagine what a terrible end it must have been for them both though, too.

[Police State]

ExChrispy Porker said:

Police State said:

alfabadass said:

The "abuse" was over 15 years. Unless it was Peter Pan, I doubt it was the same kids or group.

The mother and daughter had issues and Social Services should have become involved. The only thing the Police can be blamed for is not piecing it all together and getting this family moved.

Locking up the local kids wouldnt have helped, as it's not as if they'd go to prison and they'd not give a st about the Police anyway.

It almost certainly wasn't the same kids; but it was the same old victims. There's every likelyhood that it was sucessive generations of scummy kids doing their apprenticeships picking on the 'resident' easily targeted victims just like their predecessors had tutored them. Like I said earlier, this case (which is far from unique) should form the basis of a comprehensive public enquiry. I suspect there is much to learn from this, but only if a subsequent enquiry and its results are aired publicly; otherwise the usual suspects in authority will just conduct a handwringing excersise in public relations.

I would agree. But only if the scum lowlife who tormented these poor people were subsequently punished. (Any other enquiry would be pointless) Frankly I feel that that is unlikely hpwever.

Your comment about punishing the perpetrators of this crime goes without saying; but I don't think it is critical to the kind of enquiry I had in mind. It is the authorities/legal system (call it what we will) that should also be on trial. The kind of enquiry I was thinking of is one where some fundamental questions are asked. At the top of my list would be: Has anyone else experienced this kind of situation, and if so, what was the experience, and how was it dealt with/concluded? This straightforward question should be enough to begin the process of examining just how effective/ineffective our system is. It should throw up enough errors in the system/process to enable further examination and also enable the equiry to actually pin the responsibility on; and then we take things from there.

[BruceV8]

I don't - and can't - know the full details of this case. However, I'm sure I was taught that our relationship with the state was based upon a deal: We agree to respect the state and its laws and in return the state promises to protect us.

Too late for her money back....

[Parrot of Doom]

esselte said:

Parrot of Doom said:

Police State said:

It's time to put the whole judicery system on trial.

This dispicable and tragic crime should become the very the basis of a nationwide public enquiry, and from it's almost inevitable outcome, the recommendations should form the basis of what the public should and WILL expect from the police service.

Really. So where were her neighbours while this was happening?

The police can't do everything. The public can expect what they like of the police, but first they should be prepared to get off their collective arse and stick up for their neighbours.

But yet everytime we see BiB on TV they say to not take the law into our own hands,they'll sort it out...?

They're duty-bound to say such things. But if your neighbour was being a tt, would you call the police and demand they tell him he's a tt, or would you just call him a tt?