Police Shooting in classroom...
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Whilst shocking.....
The acceptance of responsibility is something to be admired in this day and age.
No wriggling or writhing his way out it. He put his hands up and said "Yup, I'm at fault."
Accountability...........something that is severely lacking at the moment. Politicians would do well to take note of this.
The acceptance of responsibility is something to be admired in this day and age.
No wriggling or writhing his way out it. He put his hands up and said "Yup, I'm at fault."
Accountability...........something that is severely lacking at the moment. Politicians would do well to take note of this.
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Whilst shocking.....
The acceptance of responsibility is something to be admired in this day and age.
No wriggling or writhing his way out it. He put his hands up and said "Yup, I'm at fault."
Accountability...........something that is severely lacking at the moment. Politicians would do well to take note of this.
good point, well made!The acceptance of responsibility is something to be admired in this day and age.
No wriggling or writhing his way out it. He put his hands up and said "Yup, I'm at fault."
Accountability...........something that is severely lacking at the moment. Politicians would do well to take note of this.
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Whilst shocking.....
The acceptance of responsibility is something to be admired in this day and age.
No wriggling or writhing his way out it. He put his hands up and said "Yup, I'm at fault."
Accountability...........something that is severely lacking at the moment. Politicians would do well to take note of this.
Can't see how he could deny it really The acceptance of responsibility is something to be admired in this day and age.
No wriggling or writhing his way out it. He put his hands up and said "Yup, I'm at fault."
Accountability...........something that is severely lacking at the moment. Politicians would do well to take note of this.
Guam said:
Pointing a gun at anyone is bang out of order for any reason, let alone not ensuring there wasnt a round chambered and the safety was on.
Bottom line if you point it at someone and pull the trigger you should face criminal sanction imho!
Cheers
For all we know hw could have been making that point it does say he is an instructor.Bottom line if you point it at someone and pull the trigger you should face criminal sanction imho!
Cheers
There's something seriously wrong here if the gun really was a .44 Magnum as the report suggests.
That's hardly a Police duty weapon so it would have been brought in specially, which begs the question why was there a live .44 round in the same room, let alone in it?
It's also much easier to see a revolver is loaded even with the cylinder in and the vast majority of experienced shooters (let alone instructors) would always leave the cylinder out when it's benched or at all times apart from when actually shooting it.
OK, so reading the other reports it looks like an awareness course for control room operators.
"Now here's the sort of gun we come up against when responding to your calls. How would you feel if I aimed it at you, like this and pulled the trigger, like this... BANG..... oops...."
How much more incompetent can a firearms instructor be than that?
That's hardly a Police duty weapon so it would have been brought in specially, which begs the question why was there a live .44 round in the same room, let alone in it?
It's also much easier to see a revolver is loaded even with the cylinder in and the vast majority of experienced shooters (let alone instructors) would always leave the cylinder out when it's benched or at all times apart from when actually shooting it.
OK, so reading the other reports it looks like an awareness course for control room operators.
"Now here's the sort of gun we come up against when responding to your calls. How would you feel if I aimed it at you, like this and pulled the trigger, like this... BANG..... oops...."
How much more incompetent can a firearms instructor be than that?
Edited by fastfreddy on Friday 18th September 16:24
For those interested there's some earlier discussion of this here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I wondered the same as fastfreddy too. Ok, a .44 is seen as a pretty cool gun, so if they had one in storage then I can see why they took it along for the lecture, but WTF was the ammo doing there?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I wondered the same as fastfreddy too. Ok, a .44 is seen as a pretty cool gun, so if they had one in storage then I can see why they took it along for the lecture, but WTF was the ammo doing there?
Edited by Symbolica on Friday 18th September 16:21
normalbloke said:
It shouldn't! There are many, many, many cases of UK police shooting themselves, each other, the wrong guy and folks with table legs in bags walking home from the pub. They are not very good with guns and get too little training - they used to come to our gun club just so they could get a better familiarisation with weapons saying they didn't get enough time at work!Armed plod in the UK - scary!
What an awesome end to the article ...
Shot in the stomach with a .44 Magnum ... "breaching health and safety rules" ...yeah they definitely breached the s
t out of those rules!
article said:
At an earlier hearing, Thames Valley Police pleaded guilty to breaching health and safety rules.
Shot in the stomach with a .44 Magnum ... "breaching health and safety rules" ...yeah they definitely breached the s
t out of those rules!
Dr_Gonzo said:
I don't know why some people just cant resist pointing an 'empty' gun at people and pretending to fire. It's about as stupid as you can get. Surely the Police Firearms chappies have the same rules?
Mr Tilbury said: "I am pleased that by pleading guilty, he has acknowledged the mistakes he made."
He added: "I believe it is vital that our police forces have the respect of the public and this can only happen if they are seen to be held accountable for mistakes in the same way as members of the public might be."
Bit late in the day for that in any case Mr T.......................
He added: "I believe it is vital that our police forces have the respect of the public and this can only happen if they are seen to be held accountable for mistakes in the same way as members of the public might be."
Bit late in the day for that in any case Mr T.......................
jshell said:
normalbloke said:
It shouldn't! There are many, many, many cases of UK police shooting themselves, each other, the wrong guy and folks with table legs in bags walking home from the pub. They are not very good with guns and get too little training - they used to come to our gun club just so they could get a better familiarisation with weapons saying they didn't get enough time at work!Armed plod in the UK - scary!
You've heard it from a man 'done the club', so you're obviously much better informed than me.
I don't do it anymore, because I knew if the day ever came I had to pull the trigger, then I would be guilty. No ifs or buts, I would be at fault and some poor, innocent promising footballer/salt of the earth/loveable rogue would be portrayed as an innocent victim.
The guy in this case messed up big time. He's acknowledged it. He'll never get the opportunity to do it again.
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Whilst shocking.....
The acceptance of responsibility is something to be admired in this day and age.
No wriggling or writhing his way out it. He put his hands up and said "Yup, I'm at fault."
Accountability...........something that is severely lacking at the moment. Politicians would do well to take note of this.
Who else could be at fault?The acceptance of responsibility is something to be admired in this day and age.
No wriggling or writhing his way out it. He put his hands up and said "Yup, I'm at fault."
Accountability...........something that is severely lacking at the moment. Politicians would do well to take note of this.
He broke three golden rules in a row.
- always empty the chamber and double check every time you pick it up
- never point a gun at anyone, even if it's unloaded and you KNOW it is
- keep your finger away from the trigger at all times, even if it's unloaded and you KNOW it is
I don't really see where there was any wriggle room, I've got to say.
You don't get negligent discharges at amateur clay pigeon shooting FFS, let alone during police instruction in the use of firearms by those you'd like to think are rigorously selected professional, considered, trained individuals.
Those holding the guns at my local shoot are more careful and cautious than this chap by a country mile.
the only person professional enough to handle fire arms in the room
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw-jTCNZSmY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw-jTCNZSmY
Edited by Pesty on Friday 18th September 18:54
Pesty said:
jshell said:
There are many, many, many cases of UK police shooting themselves,
A practice that has become known as 'Glock Leg' by some American law enforcement agencies I have herad 
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