Student heads off intruder, unlikely to face charges

[turbobloke]

The report doesn't give too many details but other sources suggest that a student residency outbuilding was being robbed by an intruder when a student working late heard noises and disturbed a burglar. The student was apparently a Japanese chap and warned the intruder to leave twice, but received only insults back and promises that the burglar would ransack anything and everything and was not afraid of a student. At which point the student removed the hand of the burglar (the one carrying the loot, good choice) with a samurai sword, and then applied a fatal blow to wind the mouthy crim's neck in a bit.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/20...

Unlike the UK where criminals' rights are frequently above those of the victim, and as per other similar incidents, it looks as though in US law the student will face no charges as possession of the sword was not unlawful and neither was lethal self-defence when faced with scum attacking your property and threatening to attack you.

Anybody keen to defend the 'rights' of the career criminal? The comment from "Tex" seems to support the student and police position (so far):

Sounds like the student was sharp. Maybe they'll cut him a deal and slash his investigation. The intruder sounds like a hack, but he deserves a hand.

[Road Pest]

Leroy said:

This is despicable, and this 'student' should be arrested for murder. This poor man had no right to be butchered in this fashion, like some kind of animal. This student was never in danger, and the burgler was attempting to flee when confronted. Times are tough out there, and more and more people are being forced to resort to petty crime just to put food on their tables. This burgler is a victim of society, and deserved better. He is a product of a system that incarcerates people without teaching them how to be productive citizens.

Me thinks Leroy may have a "nightime" occupation.

[Marf]

article said:

According to preliminary reports, a resident of the 300 block of E. University Parkway called police about a suspicious person, department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said. An off-duty officer responded about 1:20 a.m. to the area with university security, according to Guglielmi. They heard shouts and screams from a neighboring house and found the suspected burglar suffering from a nearly severed hand and laceration to his upper body, he said.

You just don't f*ck with a Ninja student

[turbobloke]

Road Pest said:

Leroy said:

This is despicable, and this 'student' should be arrested for murder. This poor man had no right to be butchered in this fashion, like some kind of animal. This student was never in danger, and the burgler was attempting to flee when confronted. Times are tough out there, and more and more people are being forced to resort to petty crime just to put food on their tables. This burgler is a victim of society, and deserved better. He is a product of a system that incarcerates people without teaching them how to be productive citizens.

Me thinks Leroy may have a "nightime" occupation.

Quite possibly. But he can read, and seems to like lefty rags..."burglar is a victim of society"

socialist crimophile claptrap

[Jonny671]

Marf said:

article said:

According to preliminary reports, a resident of the 300 block of E. University Parkway called police about a suspicious person, department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said. An off-duty officer responded about 1:20 a.m. to the area with university security, according to Guglielmi. They heard shouts and screams from a neighboring house and found the suspected burglar suffering from a nearly severed hand and laceration to his upper body, he said.

You just don't f*ck with a Ninja student

Correct!

I'm on the side of the student, so what if the burglar had a knife or some other weapon the student might not be around to tell his story.. Thankfully, this burglar won't be stealing anything else!

[militantmandy]

Wow! Take it you're all fans of capital punishment then! People should be able to defend themselves no doubt, but I'm not a fan of murdering people for burglary!

[Marf]

militantmandy said:

Wow! Take it you're all fans of capital punishment then! People should be able to defend themselves no doubt, but I'm not a fan of murdering people for burglary!

Persistant serial offender with a record as long as your arm who had just got out of prison?

Cry me a river.

The student reacted to defend himself and his property, his intention may not have been to kill the intruder, but he certainly defended his property.

[turbobloke]

militantmandy said:

Wow! Take it you're all fans of capital punishment then! People should be able to defend themselves no doubt, but I'm not a fan of murdering people for burglary!

Personally I'm a big fan of human responsibilities being put before plasticised yuman roits. This means that in western society if you waste your free education and then make further bad life choices out of free will you should feel privileged to take benefits from taxpayers' pockets and accept that others who make more of an effort through the power of their mind or the sweat on their brow will have more material possessions than you. Also a fan of use of any form of self defence in a situation where you cannot know what you're facing i.e. in this situation the burglar could have been carrying a weapon and we still don't know that he wasn't. The notion that police help to sweep up the mess when a burglar or robber is dealt with, rather than arrest the victim, is also an interesting idea. Not in the least bit a fan of bleeding heart leftist jibberjabber about victims of society and similar drivel.

[Evangelion]

As far as I'm concerned a householder should be allowed to keep any weapon, from a peashooter to a rocket launcher, on his property for the purposes of protection as long as:

1: He has a spotlessly clean criminal record,
2: The weapon is for his use only,
3: It never leaves the premises.

Also if anyone who has no right to be on this person's property comes to harm as a result ... tough. His injuries are self-inflicted.

When I'm prime minister.

[BertB]

Guam said:

The only thing the Student should be condemned for is bothering with the hand and not just beheading the scroate first time out imho!

From the story it sounds like one slash with the sword, so the burglar probably raised his arm and lost his hand in the process, plus received a wound on his chest.

Bloody good job to if you ask me.

[Don]

Marf said:

militantmandy said:

Wow! Take it you're all fans of capital punishment then! People should be able to defend themselves no doubt, but I'm not a fan of murdering people for burglary!

Persistant serial offender with a record as long as your arm who had just got out of prison?

Cry me a river.

The student reacted to defend himself and his property, his intention may not have been to kill the intruder, but he certainly defended his property.

I hope we can follow this story. I'm interested in the result.

My view is that the student defended himself and his property and the burglar got what was coming to him...but there is an argument of proportionality. In the UK I expect the level of force used could well be deemed excessive. It would depend on the actions of the burglar. If he physically threatened the student's life after being asked to leave?

[militantmandy]

So anyone for whom murdering an intruder seems excessive is a bleeding heart liberal? Rather black and white don't you think? If he'd cracked him with a bat i'd be applauding. I just don't think trying to cut his friggin head off is a proportional response.

[Marf]

militantmandy said:

So anyone for whom murdering an intruder seems excessive is a bleeding heart liberal? Rather black and white don't you think? If he'd cracked him with a bat i'd be applauding. I just don't think trying to cut his friggin head off is a proportional response.

So you'd applaud him for cracking him with a bat? What if he had cracked him over the head with the bat, resulting in the burglar dying?? That would be ok would it?

[militantmandy]

You're being deliberately obtuse. I think my point is absolutely clear. I don't think someone deserves to die for being a thief and I don't believe every citizen should have the power of life and death over another.

Clearly you folk are of a different opinion. Fair enough.

[turbobloke]

militantmandy said:

So anyone for whom murdering an intruder seems excessive is a bleeding heart liberal?

Why stop there, take the misquoting further by all means

I used that phrase to describe those spouting the old doggerel about criminals being victims of society.

As to citizens using lethal force to defend themselves in such situations, if you've got no intent to engage in criminal trespass to burglarise or rob then you've got nothing to fear

Is there something about the clear deterrent value that you dislike?

[Marf]

militantmandy said:

You're being deliberately obtuse.

No, I am not being obtuse.

In the heat of the moment with an intruder standing in front of you, with you not knowing his intentions, can you honestly say that you would not, with masses of adrenaline pumping through your body, just hit them as hard as you could?

militantmandy said:

I don't believe every citizen should have the power of life and death over another.

The law would tend to disagree with you. If you are under threat you are entitled in this country to use reasonable force to defend yourself, if that force results in their death, then that is unfortunate, but the likelihood is you would not be prosecuted for it.

Edited by Marf on Wednesday 16th September 11:09

[Davi]

militantmandy said:

I don't think someone deserves to die for being a thief and I don't believe every citizen should have the power of life and death over another.

They didn't. The person that had the power of life and death was the burglar. If he hadn't tried to break in and steal from another person just days after being released from prison for similar crimes, then the victim would not have been able to take his sword to the burglar.

Please note - the victim is the one being burgled.

[Oakey]

militantmandy said:

You're being deliberately obtuse. I think my point is absolutely clear. I don't think someone deserves to die for being a thief and I don't believe every citizen should have the power of life and death over another.

Clearly you folk are of a different opinion. Fair enough.

It's a shame the offenders don't share your concern about the welfare and wellbeing of others. They wouldn't think twice about putting you down if you got in their way. I know of one local scumbag who was jailed because, whilst burglarising a house, the elderly homeowner returned. Said scumbag dealt with OAP by smashing him in the face with a shovel.

[turbobloke]

Use of lethal force in self defence is also very different to capital punishment, such a comparison is invalid.

In capital punishment, which follows from a Court case and a judgement, the evidence may not be what it is interpreted to be by a judge and/or jury, and there may be a totally innocent person facing a death penalty.

In the case of an intruder possibly smacked off their tts and carrying who-knows what weapons, confronting a citizen on that citizen's property and threatening them and their property, no such miscarriage of justice is possible and the citizen is entitled to defence in law for their actions of self preservation or family protection. The guilty party is physically there t the scene of their crime, committing unlawful acts such as trespass, criminal damage, theft, robbery, possibly more, and a citizen faced with such a person refusing to withdraw when requested should be entitled to defend themselves as they see fit.

[Chris_w666]

Oakey said:

militantmandy said:

You're being deliberately obtuse. I think my point is absolutely clear. I don't think someone deserves to die for being a thief and I don't believe every citizen should have the power of life and death over another.

Clearly you folk are of a different opinion. Fair enough.

It's a shame the offenders don't share your concern about the welfare and wellbeing of others. They wouldn't think twice about putting you down if you got in their way. I know of one local scumbag who was jailed because, whilst burglarising a house, the elderly homeowner returned. Said scumbag dealt with OAP by smashing him in the face with a shovel.

But that is OK because the offender didn't kill anyone and will be dealt with (if caught) by a legal system that will help him to see the error of his ways.

bks, if someone walks into my property and meets me when they get inside I will do everything in my power to make sure they cannot leave. Nobody has any right to make me or my family live in fear, nor do they have any right to break into my property, as such IMO they waive the right to walk or eat solid food again.