When will governments will be forced to tackle popululation?
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At what figure will governments of the world be forced to tackle population numbers or population increase ?
The CO2 tax, forced recyling, scarcity of food and resulting widespread price increases due to demand etc. etc. will only be able to go so far... but the global population will continue to increase year on year with little regard for the above.
Do you all think it will be the usual case of governments bowing to the human rights pressure groups and the religiously swayed peoples who say controlling population is 'against their beliefs', and in doing so space, money, food will be things that people will increasingly have to be more competative over?
Not to mention impacts on the environment and lower living standards are all side effects of a population out of control.
Nearly 7 billion and counting!
The CO2 tax, forced recyling, scarcity of food and resulting widespread price increases due to demand etc. etc. will only be able to go so far... but the global population will continue to increase year on year with little regard for the above.
Do you all think it will be the usual case of governments bowing to the human rights pressure groups and the religiously swayed peoples who say controlling population is 'against their beliefs', and in doing so space, money, food will be things that people will increasingly have to be more competative over?
Not to mention impacts on the environment and lower living standards are all side effects of a population out of control.
Nearly 7 billion and counting!
Frankeh said:
The population will level its self out. The ones that can't get access to food and water will die off.
that won't happen. you get a family with parents without a job, 10 kids living off the state and the goverment will make sure they have more than enough to live. ensuring other tax payer's provide for themSo no incentive to get a job
RemaL said:
Frankeh said:
The population will level its self out. The ones that can't get access to food and water will die off.
that won't happen. you get a family with parents without a job, 10 kids living off the state and the goverment will make sure they have more than enough to live. ensuring other tax payer's provide for themSo no incentive to get a job
In that circumstance no amount of government spending is going to help.
It will be those that can grow their own food, survive.
This wont happen in our lifetime.
I think most Western countries are, immigration excluded, in a state of population decline or at least stability. 2 parents having 2 children = 0 population growth and that is what we consider to be the norm.
There is a known trend for Western country's birth and death rates to decrease through health and medical advances, probably inline with wealth. Thinking back to school, contraceptives also played a part in the decreasing birth rate. Other poorer countries still in a situation of high birth rate and high death rates, possibly decreasing death rates. Which means populations are large or growing.
So locally that brings us back to that old chestnut of immigration, but globally I really don't know..
There is a known trend for Western country's birth and death rates to decrease through health and medical advances, probably inline with wealth. Thinking back to school, contraceptives also played a part in the decreasing birth rate. Other poorer countries still in a situation of high birth rate and high death rates, possibly decreasing death rates. Which means populations are large or growing.
So locally that brings us back to that old chestnut of immigration, but globally I really don't know..
Don't worry. Something really nasty comes along and wipes out vast swathes of people from time to time.
Personally I thought AIDS was going to do it - but it doesn't appear to have done so.
I thought it might have killed off entire generations of the uneducated and unlucky...but no. Still - it doesn't have a cure so there's still time.
Swine flu was a bit pathetic...but I'll bet something properly deadly comes along in due course.
Personally I thought AIDS was going to do it - but it doesn't appear to have done so.
I thought it might have killed off entire generations of the uneducated and unlucky...but no. Still - it doesn't have a cure so there's still time.
Swine flu was a bit pathetic...but I'll bet something properly deadly comes along in due course.
Akers said:
Unchecked human population growth is one of the greatest threats to the planet. Unfortunately it is also a very emotive issue, one which all political parties see as a vote loser. Therefore the idea of population control and won't be broached until it's possibly too late.
What is the best solution to food shortages, energy shortages etc. Innovation and technology? The more children born the greater the number of them who will be classed as genius with more great inventors, and therefore looking at the pure economic argument population growth is the best way to solve most of the problems.
My initial thought is that nothing will be done directly where it matters because the places that growth is happening they mostly have small governments. Large government being a feature of post-industrial societies.
I wonder how much of it is due to people living longer, for instance, the improved sanitation/etc of India, etc, rather than people spitting out more kids.
Here's a thought on it. People breed up to the limits of their environment, which places a control on the densities they can attain. You can have things which facilitate large amounts of people living together, like a transport network. If, for whatever reason, the transport network breaks down, people have a choice to move or starve. I think the first pinch points will be due to transportation related issues of food supply, driven by fuel availability/costs.
What has slung a spanner in the works for the UK is the inaction over energy planning. The good guys are hoping that the end of cheap oil will spell vegetarian happiness for all under the flickering shadows of windmills. THe reality is that we will increasingly be looking a oilification gasification from coal reserves. So well done UK. We won't be sharing our coal with the EUSSR will we?
[tin foil hat](I wonder when the EU will try and centrally manage/control ALL mineral reserves-I f
king well bet it's coming)[/tin foil hat]
Anyway, bloody yoghurt weavers have fked around with the scenario that we are due energy shortages, unless we can have another war and extend the inevitable a tad longer.
The population will self regulate and no modern government (liberal tts) will attempt to intervene. What will be interesting is the fighting over resources, which will probably be WW III.
Failing that, New Labour strategy is pretty good. Tax the tits off people so they haven't even got the spare carbohydrates in their brain to think about breeding. Apart from, you don't take that cash and give it to council-rabbits.
I'm ok jack.
I wonder how much of it is due to people living longer, for instance, the improved sanitation/etc of India, etc, rather than people spitting out more kids.
Here's a thought on it. People breed up to the limits of their environment, which places a control on the densities they can attain. You can have things which facilitate large amounts of people living together, like a transport network. If, for whatever reason, the transport network breaks down, people have a choice to move or starve. I think the first pinch points will be due to transportation related issues of food supply, driven by fuel availability/costs.
What has slung a spanner in the works for the UK is the inaction over energy planning. The good guys are hoping that the end of cheap oil will spell vegetarian happiness for all under the flickering shadows of windmills. THe reality is that we will increasingly be looking a oilification gasification from coal reserves. So well done UK. We won't be sharing our coal with the EUSSR will we?
[tin foil hat](I wonder when the EU will try and centrally manage/control ALL mineral reserves-I f
king well bet it's coming)[/tin foil hat]Anyway, bloody yoghurt weavers have f
ked around with the scenario that we are due energy shortages, unless we can have another war and extend the inevitable a tad longer. The population will self regulate and no modern government (liberal t
ts) will attempt to intervene. What will be interesting is the fighting over resources, which will probably be WW III. Failing that, New Labour strategy is pretty good. Tax the tits off people so they haven't even got the spare carbohydrates in their brain to think about breeding. Apart from, you don't take that cash and give it to council-rabbits.
I'm ok jack.
Edited by Gedon on Monday 14th September 14:54
Gedon said:
My initial thought is that nothing will be done directly where it matters because the places that growth is happening the most have got small government. Large government being a feature of post-industrial societies.
I wonder how much of it is due to people living longer, for instance, the improved sanitation/etc of India, etc, rather than people spitting out more kids.
Here's a thought on it. People breed up to the limits of their environment, which places a control on the densities they can attain. You can have things which facilitate large amounts of people living together, like a transport network. If, for whatever reason, the transport network breaks down, people have a choice to move or starve. I think the first pinch points will be due to transportation related issues of food supply, driven by fuel availability/costs.
What has slung a spanner in the works for the UK is the inaction over energy planning. The good guys are hoping that the end of cheap oil will spell vegetarian happiness for all under the flickering shadows of windmills. THe reality is that we will increasingly be looking a oilification gasification from coal reserves. So well done UK. We won't be sharing our coal with the EUSSR will we?
[tin foil hat](I wonder when the EU will try and centrally manage/control ALL mineral reserves-I fking well bet it's coming)[/tin foil hat]
Anyway, bloody yoghurt weavers have fked around with the scenario that we are due energy shortages, unless we can have another war and extend the inevitable a tad longer.
The population will self regulate and no modern government (liberal tts) will attempt to intervene. What will be interesting is the fighting over resources, which will probably be WW III.
Failing that, New Labour strategy is pretty good. Tax the tits off people so they haven't even got the spare carbohydrates in their brain to think about breeding. Apart from, you don't take that cash and give it to council-rabbits.
I'm ok jack.
What is it that people love so mush about a doomsday scenario, fighting for resources, WW3 etc.I wonder how much of it is due to people living longer, for instance, the improved sanitation/etc of India, etc, rather than people spitting out more kids.
Here's a thought on it. People breed up to the limits of their environment, which places a control on the densities they can attain. You can have things which facilitate large amounts of people living together, like a transport network. If, for whatever reason, the transport network breaks down, people have a choice to move or starve. I think the first pinch points will be due to transportation related issues of food supply, driven by fuel availability/costs.
What has slung a spanner in the works for the UK is the inaction over energy planning. The good guys are hoping that the end of cheap oil will spell vegetarian happiness for all under the flickering shadows of windmills. THe reality is that we will increasingly be looking a oilification gasification from coal reserves. So well done UK. We won't be sharing our coal with the EUSSR will we?
[tin foil hat](I wonder when the EU will try and centrally manage/control ALL mineral reserves-I f
king well bet it's coming)[/tin foil hat]Anyway, bloody yoghurt weavers have f
ked around with the scenario that we are due energy shortages, unless we can have another war and extend the inevitable a tad longer. The population will self regulate and no modern government (liberal t
ts) will attempt to intervene. What will be interesting is the fighting over resources, which will probably be WW III. Failing that, New Labour strategy is pretty good. Tax the tits off people so they haven't even got the spare carbohydrates in their brain to think about breeding. Apart from, you don't take that cash and give it to council-rabbits.
I'm ok jack.
We as a race are clever and adaptable so what makes you think that we wont find solutions to our problems rather than suffer fuel shortages, famine and war.
Everybody has too much to lose for the doomsayers dreams to come true.
We will not only survive but we prosper and better ourselves along the way.
Edited by Groober on Monday 14th September 15:02
I was thinking about this over the weekend. All the bloody hype about global warming and reducing your carbon footprint, just have less offspring. This is especially the case for the lazy workshy fkers who have no intention of ever working and just pop out sprogs on a regular basis to get more benefits.
Me and the missus have reduced our long term emissions by a huge amount, no kids.
kers who have no intention of ever working and just pop out sprogs on a regular basis to get more benefits.Me and the missus have reduced our long term emissions by a huge amount, no kids.
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