Pheonix four - Mandy tries to ban them! What next?

Pheonix four - Mandy tries to ban them! What next?

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johnfm

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13,668 posts

256 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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So, four blokes undertake management buyout, keep rubbish company afloat for 5 years.
They legally pay themselves loads.
How can they be banned from beinf directors!!

Mandy in idiotic publicity stunt shocka!

What about the thousands of double glazing of companies that phoenix every year!

All these guyts have done is identify an asset rich rubbish business being sold by a distressed seller and buy it for the market price - £10.

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

215 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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johnfm said:
So, four blokes undertake management buyout, keep rubbish company afloat for 5 years.
They legally pay themselves loads.
How can they be banned from beinf directors!!

Mandy in idiotic publicity stunt shocka!

What about the thousands of double glazing of companies that phoenix every year!

All these guyts have done is identify an asset rich rubbish business being sold by a distressed seller and buy it for the market price - £10.
Here is a list of what they did wrong


1. made politicians look stupid (not difficult)

2. umm...errr.confused



DSM2

3,624 posts

206 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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Just a cunning ploy from the old crook to divert attention away from the government's role in the affair.


Jasandjules

70,421 posts

235 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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Surely we should ban people from working in Govt who have lied on mortgage application forms thus committing offences of dishonesty therefore being no longer trustworthy....

motco

16,181 posts

252 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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I am sure they are deeply, deeply hurt by the prospect of being banned from being directors. How will they make a crust now?

Monki

1,233 posts

197 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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Unfortunately the government understand Rover worker mentality and have played them very well into blaming the directors, not the government and taking attention away from themselves.

Sadly, most former Rover workers will now be voting Labour whilst beating their old Union-issue drums as they see it as a strike for the "working man" that their former bosses have been punished rolleyes

sone

4,593 posts

244 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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So the directors take 40 million away in Rover assets cash etc, all the suppliers and workers get bugger all!. Now it may well be legal but it's certainly not moral.

Battenburg Bob

8,710 posts

198 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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A nice diversion from the Governments inept handling of the Vauxhall affair!

JagLover

43,596 posts

241 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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sone said:
So the directors take 40 million away in Rover assets cash etc, all the suppliers and workers get bugger all!. Now it may well be legal but it's certainly not moral.
It may well be not legal if they

a) continued trading while knowing the business to be insolvent.
b) extracted cash from the business for themselves that should have been paid to creditors.

Zod

35,295 posts

264 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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The problem here is that the absurd £16m investigation failed to find evidence of criminality, so despite the fact that we all know they behaved reprehensibly and enriched themselves while making little or no effort to save the company, there are no grounds to disqualify them. This is typical Labour playing to the "court of public opinion", just as with Fred Goodwin.

JMGS4

8,755 posts

276 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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johnfm said:
So, four blokes undertake management buyout, keep rubbish company afloat for 5 years.
They legally pay themselves loads.
How can they be banned from beinf directors!!

Mandy in idiotic publicity stunt shocka!

What about the thousands of double glazing of companies that phoenix every year!

All these guyts have done is identify an asset rich rubbish business being sold by a distressed seller and buy it for the market price - £10.
What I can't understand is that when Mandy does something dubious (house financing, expenses etc) he's innocent as a virgin... but typically as a socialist grabs any money, or position and fills his boots; and then has the cheek to pontificate about others who do the same... SHAME ON YOU you labour scumbag....

SJobson

13,082 posts

270 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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Where's this £16m spent on the report gone, eh? I suggest the beneficiaries of all that money should be banned from preparing reports in future. They didn't even manage to prepare a report which supported the government's view.

Adrian W

14,329 posts

234 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8250252.stm

And the difference between Rover and the banks was?

With regard to the Vauxhall sham, I heard a bloke on the radio this morning saying all of the job cuts will be in the UK as it's illegal to fire the staff in Germany.

MikeyT

16,848 posts

277 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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Asset strippers - no more, no less.

If what they did was within the law, the law is an ass.

Legalised theft.


audidoody

8,597 posts

262 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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JagLover said:
sone said:
So the directors take 40 million away in Rover assets cash etc, all the suppliers and workers get bugger all!. Now it may well be legal but it's certainly not moral.
It may well be not legal if they

a) continued trading while knowing the business to be insolvent.
b) extracted cash from the business for themselves that should have been paid to creditors.
Exactly what I was thinking. I'm a company director and I know to the fullest extent that it is possible to know something that if I took all the money out of the company before paying creditors and staff I would be looking at some serious time at Ford Open.

Felix Dennis's excellent book "How To Get Rich" hammers home the point - the money in your company is NOT yours. It belongs to a legal entity that is NOT you.

And, not being an MP, I even check with the accountant when I can put a restaurant meal on expenses.


esselte

14,626 posts

273 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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audidoody said:
JagLover said:
sone said:
So the directors take 40 million away in Rover assets cash etc, all the suppliers and workers get bugger all!. Now it may well be legal but it's certainly not moral.
It may well be not legal if they

a) continued trading while knowing the business to be insolvent.
b) extracted cash from the business for themselves that should have been paid to creditors.
Exactly what I was thinking. I'm a company director and I know to the fullest extent that it is possible to know something that if I took all the money out of the company before paying creditors and staff I would be looking at some serious time at Ford Open.

Felix Dennis's excellent book "How To Get Rich" hammers home the point - the money in your company is NOT yours. It belongs to a legal entity that is NOT you.

And, not being an MP, I even check with the accountant when I can put a restaurant meal on expenses.
But,being the owners of the company, couldn't they decide what salaries/perks to give them selves?

dumbfunk

1,727 posts

290 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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I'm disappointed. They should be in jail.

This sentence would have zero impact for them ... with the personal fortunes they acquired whilst being subsidised to save 6000 jobs it's really not as if they will ever have to work again.

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

215 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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dumbfunk said:
I'm disappointed. They should be in jail.

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for what crime?

MikeyT

16,848 posts

277 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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The Govt. is as culpable though for *allowing* it to happen under their noses ...

andy43

10,244 posts

260 months

Friday 11th September 2009
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Battenburg Bob said:
A nice diversion from the Governments inept handling of the Vauxhall affair!
I'd go with that too.
Swine flue worked for the economy/expenses, now they've dragged Rover up as another smokescreen.
Amazing how Rover suddenly comes into the BBC 'news' just as Vauxhall are about to vanish.
Cynical? Moi?