Australian News calls out 60 minutes on global warming.

[him_over_there]

http://www.australian-news.com.au/index.html

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Viewers of 60 Minutes on Sunday night 17th May were treated to one of the most deceptive and misleading stories imaginable as the producers let their global warming evangelism overcome journalistic integrity in a beat up of the Maldives supposed journey to the bottom of the ocean.

Against a back-drop of the Maldives, reporter Liz Hayes exclaims "If ever you needed proof that global warming exists, it's right here. The Maldives is drowning". Very dramatic. So what proof did Hayes offer?

The camera shifts to Hayes standing waist-deep in water lamenting "For me, this is quite a sight. I visited eight years ago, and I walked right here, on what was then dry, hot sand". From her previous comments the implication is clear - sea levels at the Maldives have risen by over one metre in eight years.

This is deceptive scare-mongering in the extreme. The most likely reason for the change is normal sand erosion due to tides and storms.

Hayes introduces Australian scientist and fervent advocate of the global warming hypothesis, Charles Veron who continues the scare-mongering.

"We're in for a change in climate like we've never imagined before," alarmist Charlie says. "We're going to be witnessing whole cities being destroyed through the sea level rise".

That's right - whole cities destroyed. Alarmist Charlie did not say which cities.

Unfortunately for producer Stephen Rice and reporter Hayes their deception was exposed by alarmist Charlie in the chat session after the show.

A number of participants were eager to know why such dramatic sea level rises were not evident in the rest of the world. Alarmist Charlie ducked around the questions until finally when asked what scientific measuring device was used to determine the sea level is rising in the Maldives, Veron made this amazing admission, "There is no specific measurable sea level rise in the Maldives".

That's right, no measurable sea level rise.

But hang on, wasn't that what the whole program was about? Maldives is about to be the new Atlantis.

After this shattering blow to their credibility, 60 Minutes should stick to their stock-in-trade of providing light entertainment in the form of fluffy interviews with Hollywood movie stars.

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[Jasandjules]

Given exactly how much above sea level the maldives is, if the level rose by 3ft in 8 years, most of it would be gone by now............

[FNG]

I'm shocked and appalled.

Why would the media do such a thing?

I trust them implicitly, too... must be an isolated case.

[Chilli]

Jasandjules said:

Given exactly how much above sea level the maldives is, if the level rose by 3ft in 8 years, most of it would be gone by now............

Absolutely. I was of the opinion that the highest land was only 6 feet or so about sea level!

[Zod]

That is ridiculous. Sea levels in the Maldives have simply not risen at all.

[chippy17]

ah thanks for this

I had my brother in law going on and on about the Maldives sinking last weekend, just sent him the link

[Gedon]

chippy17 said:

ah thanks for this

I had my brother in law going on and on about the Maldives sinking last weekend, just sent him the link

The barometer down here for sea level is the old rectory whose garden is reclaimed salt marsh, with a big wall around it. No work whatsoever has been done to the wall. The last time that it flooded was about 17 years ago (ish) as I remember having a speedboat at the time and taking a shortcut through their garden.

Factors affecting tides and sea level are even more complicated than you can imagine.

Utter rubbish on their part. Having said, a religion only needs a script.

[anonymous-user]

I went down to the beach yesterday and was waist deep in water when only a few hours earlier I was actually standing on dry sand.

Global warming cynics beware.

[RegMolehusband]

Being in the middle of the Indian Ocean is it not somewhat tidal? So unless she carefully consulted the tide tables for this time and before then it's complete meaningless nonsense anyway.

Edited by RegMolehusband on Wednesday 9th September 14:07

[DSM2]

el stovey said:

I went down to the beach yesterday and was waist deep in water when only a few hours earlier I was actually standing on dry sand.

Global warming cynics beware.

You can do that at Eastbourne every day, oddly enough..................

[chippy17]

Gedon said:

chippy17 said:

ah thanks for this

I had my brother in law going on and on about the Maldives sinking last weekend, just sent him the link

The barometer down here for sea level is the old rectory whose garden is reclaimed salt marsh, with a big wall around it. No work whatsoever has been done to the wall. The last time that it flooded was about 17 years ago (ish) as I remember having a speedboat at the time and taking a shortcut through their garden.

Factors affecting tides and sea level are even more complicated than you can imagine.

Utter rubbish on their part. Having said, a religion only needs a script.

funny you should mention it, I live in North Norfolk and out on the salt marshes they have actually given up with the stone sea defences and so far it has made not one bit of difference...ie nothing has changed in the forseeable past

the witch hunt will begin shortly i am sure, are you a believer...

Edited by chippy17 on Wednesday 9th September 15:29

[Gedon]

chippy17 said:

Gedon said:

chippy17 said:

ah thanks for this

I had my brother in law going on and on about the Maldives sinking last weekend, just sent him the link

The barometer down here for sea level is the old rectory whose garden is reclaimed salt marsh, with a big wall around it. No work whatsoever has been done to the wall. The last time that it flooded was about 17 years ago (ish) as I remember having a speedboat at the time and taking a shortcut through their garden.

Factors affecting tides and sea level are even more complicated than you can imagine.

Utter rubbish on their part. Having said, a religion only needs a script.

funny you should mention it, I live in North Norfolk and out on the sla marshes they have actually given up with the stone sea defences and so far it has made not one bit of difference...ie nothing has changed in the forseeable past

the witch hunt will begin shortly i am sure, are you a believer...

I've studied geology and paleoclimates.....I don't know how anyone who is able to think independently and has a working understanding of the physical world/sciences can agree with it. It's headbangingly obvious.

The politics behind it may be a bit more grey.

Apart from Plant Food Gas hysteria, how do you propose to mitigate against oil peaking.

I was a bit of a peak oil enthusiast. After reading and thinking about coal treatments. I've come to the conclusion that GB doesn't have much to worry about.

Population management is the necessity. Nothing more and nothing less.

[ewenm]

Population management and energy security are two key areas. IMO the government needs to bite the bullet and get some more nuclear power stations built.

I'm glad someone has had the sense to ask for the evidence behind scaremongering news stories and not put up with bluster about the facts.

[turbobloke]

el stovey said:

I went down to the beach yesterday and was waist deep in water when only a few hours earlier I was actually standing on dry sand.

Global warming cynics beware.

People who make alarmist programmes such as that can't possibly have bothered to read the work of scientists such as Kench, Nichol and Morner who have actually been there and studied the processes at work.

Measuring sea level locally will probably never show any great change. In the past, sea levels in the region will have been higher and lower. During that timescale (i.e. in their existence) such coral attols remain a few metres above sea level. This is because storms which lead to ocean water penetrating inland are stripping sediment off the surrounding reefs and dropping it on the islands. So they'll always be a couple of metres up.

Unless there are geological reasons as pertinent in some locations such as being located near a subduction zone. Either way warming schwarming.

[B Oeuf]

turbobloke said:

el stovey said:

I went down to the beach yesterday and was waist deep in water when only a few hours earlier I was actually standing on dry sand.

Global warming cynics beware.

People who make alarmist programmes such as that can't possibly have bothered to read the work of scientists such as Kench, Nichol and Morner who have actually been there and studied the processes at work.

Measuring sea level locally will probably never show any great change. In the past, sea levels in the region will have been higher and lower. During that timescale (i.e. in their existence) such coral attols remain a few metres above sea level. This is because storms which lead to ocean water penetrating inland are stripping sediment off the surrounding reefs and dropping it on the islands. So they'll always be a couple of metres up.

Unless there are geological reasons as pertinent in some locations such as being located near a subduction zone. Either way warming schwarming.

I looked for that, it's 2000 mtrs away from a stable 3 plate juction

[groucho]

There seems to have been a return of the GW scaremongering on the telly of late. Any reason for this, beyond the obvious?

[Dr Jekyll]

groucho said:

There seems to have been a return of the GW scaremongering on the telly of late. Any reason for this, beyond the obvious?

It's the slow news season. So any trivial thing becomes a threat to civilisation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/82461...

[groucho]

I wish GW news stories would lie down.

[Scraggles]

noticed the trees in the picture seemed to be doing ok, if they were like mangroves, they might be all dead

global warming is a load of hot air

[Balmoral Green]

Isn't it the case that those coral islands in the Pacific are coral islands in the Pacific? The coral grows as high as however high the water is, that's why they are all at about sea level.