Doncaster torture case

[LeoZwalf]

Just seen this on Google news, sounds horrific. :-(

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/sep/03/donc...

[The Riddler]

Very bad and very sad indeed.

Can remember it being reported on the local news shortly after it happened, and again this evening. They had some hand wringing do gooder on saying that there are 4 victims in all of this, and that the little bds that did this are just misunderstood and they didnt realise what their actions would result in.

What a load of cock that is, its about time this country started holding people responsible for their actions, one of my mates has a 2 year old daughter, if you pretend she's hurt you while your playing with her, she says sorry and does look remorseful, how can a ten year old not realise what he is doing is not only wrong, but causing someone a whole lot of pain too.

Kids like this, and its very sad to say this but, they should be locked up and not allowed to see the light of day again. They are obviously not mentally stable or mature enough to be allowed into the free world.

Appologies if that makes no sense, long night + tramadol +

[Halb]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2621625/...

[Bing o]

The Riddler said:

Can remember it being reported on the local news shortly after it happened, and again this evening. They had some hand wringing do gooder on saying that there are 4 victims in all of this, and that the little bds that did this are just misunderstood and they didnt realise what their actions would result in.

What a load of cock that is, its about time this country started holding people responsible for their actions, one of my mates has a 2 year old daughter, if you pretend she's hurt you while your playing with her, she says sorry and does look remorseful, how can a ten year old not realise what he is doing is not only wrong, but causing someone a whole lot of pain too.

Have you read how the kids who did this were treated by their alcoholic parents? I would suggest you look at their upbringing to look at how they may have become so utterly fked up to do what they did. Oh, and it seems the Police and Social Services handled the whole family appalingly.

[Tiggsy]

The Riddler said:

one of my mates has a 2 year old daughter, if you pretend she's hurt you while your playing with her, she says sorry and does look remorseful,

Does he give her cannabis to shut her up, rape her, beat her? Does he have a job or spend his time robbing others and beating her mum?

I'm all for locking these kids up....but i'd do so knowing they acted the way they did BECAUSE of how they were raised.

[Dr_Gonzo]

The parents should be the ones who are locked up in this case. Locked up and made infertile so they can never have another child.

[nonuts]

Bing o said:

Have you read how the kids who did this were treated by their alcoholic parents? I would suggest you look at their upbringing to look at how they may have become so utterly fked up to do what they did. Oh, and it seems the Police and Social Services handled the whole family appalingly.

Agreed, death penalty for the whole lot to stop the cycle repeating?

[Mr Dave]

AS Ive said before, kids like these are the same as a dog that has turned on someone, you can never be sure they wont do it again.

They didnt just do something bad once for a one of. It was planned, it was premeditated, they knew what they were doing was wrong, they were proud of it and they enjoyed it.

OK they came from a broken home, thats the reason for it but doesnt excuse it.

[Tiggsy]

Nice to see the Mail have a chance to get a picture of Chucky into their story! It seems these kids didnt like the latest Will Smith block buster.....no, they (according to the Mail) opted for a 20 year old horror - maybe they thought it would be a handy link for the papers between them and the Bulger case in the future.

[illmonkey]

I heard these animals were meant to be meeting SS or the police for a similar incident, but instead they were doing this.

[AB]

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[jesta1865]

Bing o said:

The Riddler said:

Can remember it being reported on the local news shortly after it happened, and again this evening. They had some hand wringing do gooder on saying that there are 4 victims in all of this, and that the little bds that did this are just misunderstood and they didnt realise what their actions would result in.

What a load of cock that is, its about time this country started holding people responsible for their actions, one of my mates has a 2 year old daughter, if you pretend she's hurt you while your playing with her, she says sorry and does look remorseful, how can a ten year old not realise what he is doing is not only wrong, but causing someone a whole lot of pain too.

Have you read how the kids who did this were treated by their alcoholic parents? I would suggest you look at their upbringing to look at how they may have become so utterly fked up to do what they did. Oh, and it seems the Police and Social Services handled the whole family appalingly.

i haven't seen this, but a mate of mine left home as soon as he could as his step-dad was fairly nasty to him and had been from about 6 onwards. he (my mate) hasn't seen the need to kidnap and torture other kids. i am sorry they would come in touch with enough adults and other people to know right from wrong. we need to stop making excuses for kids who misbehave, lock them up, never let them have kids, cycle broken.

[Parrot of Doom]

jesta1865 said:

i haven't seen this, but a mate of mine left home as soon as he could as his step-dad was fairly nasty to him and had been from about 6 onwards. he (my mate) hasn't seen the need to kidnap and torture other kids. i am sorry they would come in touch with enough adults and other people to know right from wrong. we need to stop making excuses for kids who misbehave, lock them up, never let them have kids, cycle broken.

Wow, all that from a census of 1.

This apparently isn't a simple case of misbehaviour. But don't let that stop you making uneducated guesses on behalf of people or things you seem completely ignorant of.

[AB]

I know kids from broken families who have grown up to be fine, made their own way in life - at the age of 11 they resented their parents for how they treated them and made the conscious decision, even at their age that they wouldnt go the same way.

I know kids from incredibly wealthy families who from the outside looked perfect go off the rails.

I know that the parents need to accept some of the blame on this one, but not all of it. At the age of 11, you know that torturing a kid is bad, you know if they are crying and pleading with you to die that it is wrong and they are not enjoying it.

I dont buy this parents are entirely to blame crap.

Shoot them all.

[Bing o]

AB said:

I know kids from broken families who have grown up to be fine, made their own way in life - at the age of 11 they resented their parents for how they treated them and made the conscious decision, even at their age that they wouldnt go the same way.

I dont buy this parents are entirely to blame crap.

Shoot them all.

It was a bit more than a broken family - the kids basically had to forage in skips for food and clothes, were forced to fight each other, to watch violent films, were beaten consistently.

Not excusing their actions, but they were hardly born evil.

[Oakey]

AB said:

I know kids from broken families who have grown up to be fine, made their own way in life - at the age of 11 they resented their parents for how they treated them and made the conscious decision, even at their age that they wouldnt go the same way.

I know kids from incredibly wealthy families who from the outside looked perfect go off the rails.

I know that the parents need to accept some of the blame on this one, but not all of it. At the age of 11, you know that torturing a kid is bad, you know if they are crying and pleading with you to die that it is wrong and they are not enjoying it.

I dont buy this parents are entirely to blame crap.

Shoot them all.

Right, so let me get this straight, your solution to these horrific, violent children is to 'shoot them all'? You want to shoot children? What exactly is it that makes you different to them?

[nonuts]

Oakey said:

Right, so let me get this straight, your solution to these horrific, violent children is to 'shoot them all'? You want to shoot children? What exactly is it that makes you different to them?

I think he's maybe suggesting the same as me, it's not nice, but get the whole lot out of the gene pool, both kids and their parents.

[Ewan S]

Knowing the difference between right and wrong.

You put down a vicious animal (like a dog) that has a history of attacking people and can't be trained not to. Why can't we do the same for scum?

[B Oeuf]

Ewan S said:

Knowing the difference between right and wrong.

You put down a vicious animal (like a dog) that has a history of attacking people and can't be trained not to. Why can't we do the same for scum?

because we're (trying) to be civilised?

[Tiggsy]

People have no idea...this "my mate's parents got a divorce" stuff is nonsense. What these kids go through is not a "rough upbringing"...they are beaten, given drugs, told to commit crime on behalf of the parents, etc, etc.....to shut them up as youngsters the mother gave them canabis!

The idea they should "know" whats right and wrong....where does that come from? How does anyone "know" anything unless they are told/show. Causing pain to others is not something animals are born with an ability to know is "wrong"...they learn it (or dont) My kids would be unable to hurt an animal (for example) as i have taught them crulety to animals is wrong and the show compassion to such things.....a kid raise in the jungle would have no issue ripping an animal apart for dinner - thats what they "know"

DOnt get me wrong....lock these kids up for life, hang them if you want - i dont belive they should ever be back in society...they are bust, for good. I just dont belive the way they act is a product of their own doing.