labour proposes £9bn in NHS cuts

[Zod]

Sorry, that should be a minus £9bn increase in NHS spending.



Isn't it strange that the biggest cuts are in acute care and the smallest are n central budgets where all the non-medical management staff who commissioned the report work.

There are so many priority jobs for the next government, but one of the highest priorities must be to sack at least 250,000 non-medical personnel (and that doesn't mean useful people like technicians and porters, it means useless managers). Their benefit payments will cost us a lot less than their inflated salaries.

Edited by Zod on Thursday 3rd September 10:32

[Spiritual_Beggar]

It's an absolute disgrace!

A £20bn shortfall!!!


I don't know about you guys, but I'd much rather see our troops home, and use some of that War money to fund the NHS shortfall.

How on earth can you skimp on funds when the Nation's health is involved!!! If it isn't working, stop wasting the funds on an NHS and move all health services to private! Either that, or start giving it the Support it needs! Get competent people managing it!



If you're gona do something, do it properly...or dont do it at all!

[Fittster]

Aging population means it's probably not possible. However the range of service could/should be cut so more resources can be focused where they are needed geriatrics.

However old people aren't cute and are too stupid to realise the power they have the ballot box so they will probably be stuffed.

[chris watton]

I wonder how many non-jobs there are in the NHS, that have nothing at all to do with nurses, doctors, patient care etc, that are on huge salaries - this is the area that need culling. I watched newsnight last night, and a woman from a government 'think tank' was defending the governments policy for 50% of students going to university - I wonder how much she's paid for her 'non job', that, in the real world, contributes absolutley nothing to the UK!

[AndrewW-G]

chris watton said:

I wonder how many non-jobs there are in the NHS, that have nothing at all to do with nurses, doctors, patient care etc, that are on huge salaries - this is the area that need culling. I watched newsnight last night, and a woman from a government 'think tank' was defending the governments policy for 50% of students going to university - I wonder how much she's paid for her 'non job', that, in the real world, contributes absolutley nothing to the UK!

I'd strongly suggest never going into a local governement office / building and looking at the job titles or even worse the financial cost of failed projects & initiatives demanded by central government

[Gedon]

It appears that graph is the inverse of what it should be.

I gather the NHS is the 3rd biggest employer in the world (someone is having a laugh, surely). Companies are usually pyramid shaped. This is more of a prism and needs restoring to pyramid shape. Get rid of about 2/3 of the non-jobs. They can move elsewhere in the Eurozone if they want.

[Benny Saltstein]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8234841.stm

Labour reject McKinsey's report on delivering savings to the NHS. Nice one, how much money got pissed up the wall on that? fking s.

[Puggit]

chris watton said:

I wonder how many non-jobs there are in the NHS

Mrs Puggit told me today that there is a member of admin staff for every 2 front line staff today...

[Spiritual_Beggar]

Benny Saltstein said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8234841.stm

Labour reject McKinsey's report on delivering savings to the NHS. Nice one, how much money got pissed up the wall on that? fking s.

It's just as well Labour won't be around for much longer.

[G_T]

FEWER DOCTORS NEEDED TO TREAT MORE PATIENTS, CLAIMS REPORT

THE fewer NHS doctors and nurses you have the more patients you can treat, according to a government commissioned report.

Management consultants McKinsey have proposed a massive reduction in NHS clinical staff in a bid to drive down the length of time people are waiting to be treated by them.

The report added: "The quickest and most efficient way to reduce a waiting list is to dismantle the very thing that people are waiting for.

"Imagine if you were queuing outside a cake shop and an RAF Tornado came along and demolished it with a laser-guided missile. You would soon ask yourself, 'what am I actually queuing for?' and very quickly you would find that the queue has simply disappeared."

Matthew Elliott, director of the TaxPayers Alliance backed the report, adding: "The NHS could easily be run by four or five janitors, each armed with an All Creatures Great and Small DVD.

"I know it's vets but All Creatures Great and Small is much cheaper than the Grey's Anatomy box set, and anyway, it's all the same pipes."

Meanwhile the BMA stressed that any move to cut costs by shaving so much as a penny off doctors' average pay of £110,000 a year would be met with a 'Harold Shipman-like' response.

A spokesman said: "We'll inject all of you and then if the cops get suspicious we'll stage a fake flu-jab session at every police station and inject all of them too. We fking dare you."

Tom Logan, professor of medical politics at Reading University, added: "Of course there is always the merest outside chance of a vague possibility that the government commissioned this report just so it could then reject it."

-Daily Mash

[Digga]

Puggit said:

chris watton said:

I wonder how many non-jobs there are in the NHS

Mrs Puggit told me today that there is a member of admin staff for every 2 front line staff today...

Two of the buildings in the industrial area (intended and zoned for private enterprise) I work in are being occupied by NHS Trusts and somesuch.

From cursory observation of effiency in terms of return on capital employed and also employees hours; 0730hrs less than a dozen cars, 1800hrs onwards you';re luck if it's half that. Then, occasionally they will have a massive (and probably unmanageably so) meeting a jjam up half the industrial estate with their overflow parking.

The NHS runs around the clock, but the management systems certainly don't.

[andymadmak]

To paraphrase an old joke....
If you were going to start an NHS, you wouldn't start if from here...

The NHS has become a byword (?) for bloated beaurocracy and waste. There are more managers in the service than there are beds (official)
It is IMPOSSIBLE to have any kind of rational discussion about this on a national level because the great hoards of unwashed persist in seeing all nurses as "Angels" and all doctors as a cross between Martin Clunes James Herriot (hey, who cares if he was a vet)
The sad fact is that the system, from top to bottom, is completely Donald Ducked.
Nurses no longer do many of the nursey things that were part of their job description just 30 years ago.. So the wards are filthy and patients go unfed as their meal sit on trolleys next to them. Bed baths and taking patients to the loo? Beneath the dignity of most of our health care professionals now.
Doctors no longer make decisions based on purely clinical reasons. GPs are now vastly overpaid, and the whole problem of consultants and hours is now worse than it has ever been.
The system offers too many treatments and does so inefficiently.

All in all its a crumbling mess.
It needs root and branch reform, - to be candid it needs a Thatcherite level of revolution and rethink. Who's gonna be THAT brave? This latest waste of money on a report that is immediately dismissed is just typical, and represents the tiniest tip of the iceburg

AKM

[Monki]

chris watton said:

I wonder how many non-jobs there are in the NHS

Have a look at the education system too, it's overloaded with non-jobs and staff doing sod all (especially university)

[esselte]

andymadmak said:

Nurses no longer do many of the nursey things that were part of their job description just 30 years ago.. So the wards are filthy and patients go unfed as their meal sit on trolleys next to them. Bed baths and taking patients to the loo? Beneath the dignity of most of our health care professionals now.

Isn't this due to the fact that nursing needs a degree now and most graduates see themselves as above all this....?

[anonymous-user]

esselte said:

andymadmak said:

Nurses no longer do many of the nursey things that were part of their job description just 30 years ago.. So the wards are filthy and patients go unfed as their meal sit on trolleys next to them. Bed baths and taking patients to the loo? Beneath the dignity of most of our health care professionals now.

Isn't this due to the fact that nursing needs a degree now and most graduates see themselves as above all this....?

correct - the phrase is "too posh to wash"

[Jimbeaux]

Gedon said:

It appears that graph is the inverse of what it should be.

I gather the NHS is the 3rd biggest employer in the world (someone is having a laugh, surely). Companies are usually pyramid shaped. This is more of a prism and needs restoring to pyramid shape. Get rid of about 2/3 of the non-jobs. They can move elsewhere in the Eurozone if they want.

If Government healthcare is the accepted method by European nations and European nations are relegating more and more of their authorities to the EU, what does PH think about letting there be a EU NHS? ($hit stirring mode).

[Jasandjules]

How odd, wasn't there something about cutting costs that the Tories would undertake and this was bad? But cuts under Labour are fine? Strange that.....

[Gedon]

Jimbeaux said:

Gedon said:

It appears that graph is the inverse of what it should be.

I gather the NHS is the 3rd biggest employer in the world (someone is having a laugh, surely). Companies are usually pyramid shaped. This is more of a prism and needs restoring to pyramid shape. Get rid of about 2/3 of the non-jobs. They can move elsewhere in the Eurozone if they want.

If Government healthcare is the accepted method by European nations and European nations are relegating more and more of their authorities to the EU, what does PH think about letting there be a EU NHS? ($hit stirring mode).

As long as we have proportional representation from a pay point of view. What would happen is that we would be funding Spanish boob-jobs.

[spaximus]

My wife works as a finance director for the NHS, the reason they have so many people employed is to report to constantly changing whitehall people who dictate what is spent and where. The NHS is a huge thing to run and you need all sorts of admin staff to do it or else no one gets paid, no one gets fed, supplies are not ordered, etc etc. But in gods name the cycling to work co ordinater could be done without, and other such no jobs dictated by others. Spending money reducing the exsisting car parking spaces to encourage people not to use cars, could have been spent elsewhere.

The NHS needs to be led by Cliniciatins supported by good admin and led by top people, not politicians or some whitehall mandarin

[Jimbeaux]

Gedon said:

Jimbeaux said:

Gedon said:

It appears that graph is the inverse of what it should be.

I gather the NHS is the 3rd biggest employer in the world (someone is having a laugh, surely). Companies are usually pyramid shaped. This is more of a prism and needs restoring to pyramid shape. Get rid of about 2/3 of the non-jobs. They can move elsewhere in the Eurozone if they want.

If Government healthcare is the accepted method by European nations and European nations are relegating more and more of their authorities to the EU, what does PH think about letting there be a EU NHS? ($hit stirring mode).

As long as we have proportional representation from a pay point of view. What would happen is that we would be funding Spanish boob-jobs.

From an aid point of view, ya'll seem to have a very unbalanced proportional representation in favor of other nations. Is there a reason to expect that this would be any different?