Will this solve the binge drinking culture of the UK?

[dreamz]

yet another gimmick in my opinion. I'm a doorman and i cant see this stopping the "he's a lovely bloke when he's not drunk"

[b]People in England and Wales who commit crimes or behave anti-socially while drunk could now face a Drinking Banning Order - or "booze Asbo".

Under powers coming into force on Monday, police and councils can seek an order on anyone aged 16 and over.

Magistrates can then ban them from pubs, bars, off-licences and certain areas for up to two years. Anyone who breaches the order faces a £2,500 fine. [/b]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8227236.stm

[turbobloke]

A £2500 fine? A fine that big won't be applied but whatever fine is levied would likely be paid at £5 / week from benefits i.e. taxation. Great idea.

[patmahe]

Yep, because the whole ASBO thing has been a great success, the chav gansta brigade, idiots in other words, see these as a badge of honour, you're nobody until you have one.

[MK4 Slowride]

The type of person this is aimed at doesn't have £2500 to pay any fine. So it'll be 50p a month out of their giro.

[collateral]

Who's going to enforce this? How is some random bloke who works in the offie going to know if you have one of these?

Also it doesn't mention supermarkets

[ShadownINja]

Good point. The one thing the underclass do have is pain receptors, of course... as do human rights lawyers.

Edited by ShadownINja on Monday 31st August 14:01

[fathomfive]

ShadownINja said:

Good point. The one thing the underclass do have is pain receptors, of course... as do human rights lawyers.

Edited by ShadownINja on Monday 31st August 14:01

I like the guy bringing more canes.

[Topboy]

Heres my idea about making things better.

How about doing what Ontario in Canada do for all off sales of liquor, beer and wine.

The Provincial goverenment own a chain of liquor & wine stores called LCBO (Liquor Control board of Ontario). All offsale liquor and wine in Ontario HAS to be sold in these LCBO stores. This enables the goverenment to set a flat rate price on liquor everywhere and generates income for the goverenment. It also controls the sale of liquor to the right age as LCBO staff are goverenment employees and ask for ID on every sale if your age looks to be in the 18 to 25 bracket.

They also control the selling of beer via a chain of stores called "The Beer Store" with the same guidlines as above.

Other licensed premises such as bars, nightclubs and social clubs HAVE to purchase liquor, wine, and beer from the LCBO or Beer store which have trade outlets for these licensed premises. This again ensure that a set price is set for licensed premises eliminating the so called "Cheap Booze offers" that bars run.

No other shops, supermarkets or corner shops are allowed to sell liquor, wine or beer.

The stores are conveniently located near shopping malls, supermarkets, and in certain areas in the town suburbs.

Having lived in Ontario for a year I found no problems or Inconvenience adjusting to this method of purchasing alcohol.

It's a great way to control the sale of alcohol by setting price standards, the control of selling to under age people and it generates income for the goverenment to use on public services.

Just my 2 cents and im sure there will be people out there that say "why should we be punished because of the lager louts" but if it works (which it does as proven in Ontario) then surely it's a good thing.

Edited by Topboy on Monday 31st August 20:02

[Frederick]

The fine will probably be mooted as soon as one of the lucky recipients of this new award asbo turns round and says "it's not my fault, I'm an alcoholic", then promptly gets an official pardon and we fund their "rehabilitation"

[phil-sti]

we already have this, its called "pubwatch" and doesnt work very well

[glazbagun]

Couldnt you just throw them in jail for two weeks for breach of the peace while drunk? If they lose their job, tough st. If they miss their sign-on date, tough st, and make unemployment benefit linked to your (lack of) a criminal/asbo record which expires over time?

[Steve748]

glazbagun said:

Couldnt you just throw them in jail for two weeks for breach of the peace while drunk? If they lose their job, tough st. If they miss their sign-on date, tough st, and make unemployment benefit linked to your (lack of) a criminal/asbo record which expires over time?

you will need to build a couple of dozen prisons to take them all

Typical government solution, tackle the effect rather than the root cause, it's all down to how the kids have been brought up, poor parenting

[Topboy]

Steve748 said:

glazbagun said:

Couldnt you just throw them in jail for two weeks for breach of the peace while drunk? If they lose their job, tough st. If they miss their sign-on date, tough st, and make unemployment benefit linked to your (lack of) a criminal/asbo record which expires over time?

you will need to build a couple of dozen prisons to take them all

Typical government solution, tackle the effect rather than the root cause, it's all down to how the kids have been brought up, poor parenting

I disagree with your statement about poor parenting

I have a few mates that were not as privileged as some and had rotten parents, but they have come thru it and are good responsible people.

The problem is more about control. We and The Goverenment need to control the sale and pricing of liquor more without hindering the average joe.

Edited by Topboy on Monday 31st August 21:02

[Silver993tt]

Why not arrest them and force feed them more alcohol until they are no more?

[NWTony]

glazbagun said:

Couldnt you just throw them in jail for two weeks for breach of the peace while drunk? If they lose their job, tough st. If they miss their sign-on date, tough st, and make unemployment benefit linked to your (lack of) a criminal/asbo record which expires over time?

yes huzzah, summary justice, just what we need more of.

[IanMorewood]

My plan involves a bunch of wire cages in the centre of town, a sort of drunk tank but without the hotel facilities.

[Busa_Rush]

IanMorewood said:

My plan involves a bunch of wire cages in the centre of town, a sort of drunk tank but without the hotel facilities.

That's actually not a bad idea . . .

[esselte]

Don't we already have laws relating to under age drinking,being drunk and disorderly,urinating in the street etc.etc.? Why do we need more....? Seems like another "Look, we're doing something about it" reaction from HMG....

[Jonny671]

Its a difficult one.. I'm a barman at a nightclub, so know it all too well.. And am 19, so the age most of the ones their targetting too.

I don't drink anymore, because i've seen what it makes people like, so will the OP.. Nice people when sober, when drunk their violent etc.

Theres not really much you can do to stop them drinking alot, put the prices up.. And people won't come to your club, at the end of the day your still running a business.

The Bar Staff are supposed to have signed a form, and to say that if someone is too drunk they won't get served anymore alcohol, I don't know about all clubs/staff but I don't serve people who are too drunk.

[ali_kat]

Busa_Rush said:

IanMorewood said:

My plan involves a bunch of wire cages in the centre of town, a sort of drunk tank but without the hotel facilities.

That's actually not a bad idea . . .

Gets my vote too

As someone has already said, we have Pubwatch already. Which doesn't work. This won't either, for one simple reason :-

Both rely on Retailers taking note of who is banned. But that means they don't get their money... Not much incentive to act on the ban there.