Sex abuse victim jailed, abuser gets a caution

[Mekon]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/art...

Blackmail is blackmail, but when this is what the justice system delivers, how could someone who was abused have faith in the system?

[6655321]

he wasn't jailed for being a victim, he was jailed for blackmail. Non-story.

[Justayellowbadge]

Was it Blackmail or Compensation?

Tough one.

No sympathy whatsoever for the abuser. Reap what you sow.

[orange monster]

Mekon said:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/art...

Blackmail is blackmail, but when this is what the justice system delivers, how could someone who was abused have faith in the system?

since you're distorting the truth so much to suit your own agenda, how long before you blame the government? i'd say about your 3rd post?

[Gedon]

orange monster said:

Mekon said:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/art...

Blackmail is blackmail, but when this is what the justice system delivers, how could someone who was abused have faith in the system?

since you're distorting the truth so much to suit your own agenda, how long before you blame the government? i'd say about your 3rd post?

Stop insulting and argue with facts. Troll!

[Oakey]

I'm sorry, a 'caution' for sexually abusing someone? What the hell? What did they say "you've been a very naughty man, don't do it again"? fk sake, the guy's in his 70's, who knows how many other victims he's had. Surely they should be investigating this properly?

[6655321]

Oakey said:

I'm sorry, a 'caution' for sexually abusing someone? What the hell? What did they say "you've been a very naughty man, don't do it again"? fk sake, the guy's in his 70's, who knows how many other victims he's had. Surely they should be investigating this properly?

I wasn't aware he had been convicted of anything...

[Jasandjules]

6655321 said:

Oakey said:

I'm sorry, a 'caution' for sexually abusing someone? What the hell? What did they say "you've been a very naughty man, don't do it again"? fk sake, the guy's in his 70's, who knows how many other victims he's had. Surely they should be investigating this properly?

I wasn't aware he had been convicted of anything...

I could be mistaken but acceptance of a caution is effectively deemed an admission.

However, I for one don't feel all that sorry for the child abuser. Frankly, if he was that fine upstanding a fellow he could have called the police and informed on his blackmailer. Of course, blackmail is wrong, but I don't give a damn that his "retirement fund" house has been sold.

[Don]

Jasandjules said:

I could be mistaken but acceptance of a caution is effectively deemed an admission.

No. No, it is not. The guy got handed a caution. He didn't "accept" it. He's made no formal admission of guilt that could be used to prosecute him. The article does not offer any information about the proof of abuse. We can surmise that it wasn't reported at the time, there was not trial and he wasn't found guilty.

Why on earth the old bloke didn't just tell the young guy - go ahead and try and defame my character. If you do I'll report this incident of blackmail immediately. I'll admit that looks damn guilty - but there again he could be a confused old guy with a touch of Alzheimers - we don't know.

Jasandjules said:

However, I for one don't feel all that sorry for the child abuser. Frankly, if he was that fine upstanding a fellow he could have called the police and informed on his blackmailer. Of course, blackmail is wrong, but I don't give a damn that his "retirement fund" house has been sold.

Well. If he did it I don't feel the slightest sympathy, either. Don't feel any sympathy for the blackmailer, either. Blackmail is a disgraceful crime too. They can both take their lumps as far as I am concerned.

Question is? Did the old guy do it? Or is this an all-too-plausible story and a desperate old bloke?

We can't know.

[glazbagun]

Mekon said:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/art...

Blackmail is blackmail, but when this is what the justice system delivers, how could someone who was abused have faith in the system?

What does this have to do with faith in the system? The guy went outside the justice system to exact revenge. Or, from reading the article, more like extort wealth. If it was justice he was after he could have easily told the authorities, instead he threatened to do so in order to make a packet. Numerous times. If he'd done it once and then buggered off to live happily ever after, then fair enough in a vigilante way. But instead he kept returning, like some kind of protection racket.

I don't have much sympathy for the old guy (assuming the allegation is true), but I have none for the abused, either- being abused at 13 doesnt make you an upstanding member of the community all of a sudden. It is quite possible, that the abused has grown into a very unpleasant person.

Edited by glazbagun on Saturday 29th August 09:43

[alfabadass]

Don said:

Jasandjules said:

I could be mistaken but acceptance of a caution is effectively deemed an admission.

No. No, it is not. The guy got handed a caution. He didn't "accept" it. He's made no formal admission of guilt that could be used to prosecute him. The article does not offer any information about the proof of abuse. We can surmise that it wasn't reported at the time, there was not trial and he wasn't found guilty.

Why on earth the old bloke didn't just tell the young guy - go ahead and try and defame my character. If you do I'll report this incident of blackmail immediately. I'll admit that looks damn guilty - but there again he could be a confused old guy with a touch of Alzheimers - we don't know.

Jasandjules said:

However, I for one don't feel all that sorry for the child abuser. Frankly, if he was that fine upstanding a fellow he could have called the police and informed on his blackmailer. Of course, blackmail is wrong, but I don't give a damn that his "retirement fund" house has been sold.

Well. If he did it I don't feel the slightest sympathy, either. Don't feel any sympathy for the blackmailer, either. Blackmail is a disgraceful crime too. They can both take their lumps as far as I am concerned.

Question is? Did the old guy do it? Or is this an all-too-plausible story and a desperate old bloke?

We can't know.

You can't have a caution if you don;t admit the offence.

[Jasandjules]

Don,

I believe you are incorrect, a caution must be accepted and furthermore IS taken as an admission.

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache%3Apmv...

Hopefully one of our resident plod can confirm if I am right or wrong.