Now this IS Ironic. The planet killing computer...

[Morningside]

"The Met office computer for predicting the weather (and assessing climate change) produces 12,000 tonnes of Carbon Dioxide per year. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8224956.s...

[Eric Mc]

MMGW is FULL of irony.

[MartG]

Very ironic indeed !

[Neil_Sc]

Nice choice of computing kit photo with NEC stamped on the side. Strange for an IBM super computer

[Funk]

You can hear the eco-greenies tying themselves in knots over this one...!

[Simpo Two]

Eco-greenies are ALLOWED to make pollution because it's in a good cause.

It's only everybody ELSE that musn't (see 'socialist' and 'hypocrite')

[Eric Mc]

That's why all those climate camp protestors have no problem using their mobile phones and allied technologies to further their cause(s). The end justifies the means.

[nonegreen]

You lot just dont understand, the planet knows when the CO2 produced is good CO2 like from a prius or David Beggs gob. It also knows when the CO2 is naughty CO2 like from aeroplanes or meat eating people.

[scorp]

That's about 32 ton per day.

How are these thousands-of-tons of CO2 values arrived at anyway ?

[Spiritual_Beggar]

scorp said:

That's about 32 ton per day.

How are these thousands-of-tons of CO2 values arrived at anyway ?

Very techincal equations are used.............................















.............. Then the results are thrown away, and they pick numbers out of a hat

[Oakey]

As a local music festival has just been cancelled due to torrential rain over the last 24 hours I wondered whatever happened to 'Global Warming', then remembered as the weather started to get colder and wetter it mysteriously turned into 'Climate change'.

[FourWheelDrift]

And Global Cooling was all the rage in the 1970s. Media driven again of course.

[Mr Gearchange]

Twelve thousuand tonnes of gas - from a computer.

Its a completely meaningless figure - how on earth does a computer consume enough electricity to create 12,000T of greenhouse gas.

Its the emperors new clothes - you have a bunch of beard stroking guardian reading tree huggers saying how terrible it is. It could produce a balloons worth for all they, or anyone else knows.

Nobody knows do they really - I mean come on - it's always the media and politicians coming out with this scaremongery nonsense. It's never an actual scientist who can really explain it.

[.:ian:.]

Mr Gearchange said:

Twelve thousuand tonnes of gas - from a computer.

At least they dont need a halon fire suppression system.

[Gedon]

Adding a bit to it.......

There are 525948 mins/year

If I breathe 10L in a min, I'd breathe 5259480 L/ year

If 4% of this is CO2 breathed out,

I'd have breathed out 210379 L of CO2

CO2 weighs 46g per mol. 1 mol of gas takes up 24L at standard temp/pressure

So, 1L of CO2 weighs 46/24 which is 1.91g

I therefore breathe 210379.2x1.91= 401824g CO2/Year

This equates to 401 Kg (rounded down)

401kg is about 0.4 tonnes.

If the Met office computer uses 12000 Tonnes, that's a lot.

That is 12000/0.4 people or 30000 people!!!!!!!

As a sort of rough figure

[Mr Gearchange]

As a rough fag packet calculation (and therefore probably wrong) 12,0000T of Co2 is roughly equivalent to 60 Million KM in a Golf GTI (@ 200g/km)

A climate change computer produces more Co2 in a year than 60,000,000 KM in a Golf GTI. That can't be true can it?

Edited by Mr Gearchange on Friday 28th August 11:45 to change Miles to KM

Edited by Mr Gearchange on Friday 28th August 11:46

[Dogwatch]

Gedon said:

Adding a bit to it.......

There are 525948 mins/year

If I breathe 10L in a min, I'd breathe 5259480 L/ year

If 4% of this is CO2 breathed out,

I'd have breathed out 210379 L of CO2

CO2 weighs 46g per mol. 1 mol of gas takes up 24L at standard temp/pressure

So, 1L of CO2 weighs 46/24 which is 1.91g

I therefore breathe 210379.2x1.91= 401824g CO2/Year

This equates to 401 Kg (rounded down)

401kg is about 0.4 tonnes.

If the Met office computer uses 12000 Tonnes, that's a lot.

That is 12000/0.4 people or 30000 people!!!!!!!

As a sort of rough figure

Yes but as explained above, human CO2 is OK (despite the ever increasing world population). It's only things like power stations and cars* which produce baaaad CO2.

• electric cars are good as they are pollution free and their energy comes from little pillars next to their reserved parking places

Sorry, asterisk is interpreted as a bullet point for some reason

[Bing o]

A pet peeve of mine - a computer does not produce CO2, the power station does.

Still a load of bks however.

[Sam_68]

Mr Gearchange said:

how on earth does a computer consume enough electricity to create 12,000T of greenhouse gas.

It doesn't. If you read carefully, it would appear that the figure is for the computer and the vast building it is housed in. Since pretty much all the electricity used by a computer is ultimately transformed into heat, and since air conditioning systems are ludicrously inefficient, I think you'll find that about 80% of that figure is for the HVAC systems that maintain the internal environment inside the building.

[mr_spock]

.:ian:. said:

Mr Gearchange said:

Twelve thousuand tonnes of gas - from a computer.

At least they dont need a halon fire suppression system.

<PEDANT>

Halon's not used anymore as it can't be breathed. So, it puts out fires and kills anyone trapped in the room. It was replaced by Inergen some while ago.

</PEDANT>

It sounds like they've not tried too hard on building an energy efficient data centre though...