Football Hooliganism rears it's ugly head again....
Discussion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8221451....
Millwall/West Ham yet again.......
Like the bad old days of the late sixties/early seventies
Millwall/West Ham yet again.......
Like the bad old days of the late sixties/early seventies
Very predictable tonight. But lets be honest, hooliganism never really went away - maybe just a touch milder and a little less reported.
I fear the severity of tonights 'scuffle' will ensure hooliganism gains renewed interest and momentum throughout the divisions, just in time for the World Cup mayhem next year.
I fear the severity of tonights 'scuffle' will ensure hooliganism gains renewed interest and momentum throughout the divisions, just in time for the World Cup mayhem next year.
Edited by lazyitus on Tuesday 25th August 21:37
The great myth is that soccer violence has stopped. It never went away, it's just rare it happens inside a ground. The streets outside the ground are where it begins, as it did tonight. Then it spread into the ground, if it had stayed outside, it probably would have gone largely unreported. Usually it takes place a long way from the ground, but with these two sets of supporters the distance, between grounds, was too short. Bunch of brain dead tossers who can't find anything in life to create, so use a football club tribal loyalty, as an excuse for some form of social collective. In other words a gang.
Its not as big as it used to be though, particularly in the Premiership. A lot of the trouble makers are banned from the ground anyway and intel makes it difficult for them to organise anything. The police usually get some kind of chatter from one side or the other anyway.
I was at the Middlesbrough Doncaster match the other day which was announced as a Police free game. Sure enough, come full time some stupid kids started throwing bottles at the Doncaster fans and thus they all waded in on each other. Took the mounted section to go in and split them up. Mindless
I was at the Middlesbrough Doncaster match the other day which was announced as a Police free game. Sure enough, come full time some stupid kids started throwing bottles at the Doncaster fans and thus they all waded in on each other. Took the mounted section to go in and split them up. Mindless
Just a quick thought;
Could this be the expression of a more general problem? I know both the Milwall and West Ham fans have a history but it seems a huge coincedence that kicks off when the vast majority of people are feeling very frustrated with the way they are governed and who they are governed by?
A few months ago people on this very board were talking about the possiblity of riots due to the political situation, maybe along with the local rivally this was a grass roots expression of this? All of the pent up anger being vented somewhere, anywhere?
West Ham have said that they will ban for life any fans identified as causing trouble. If they actually do that it looks to me like they'll have an half empty ground.
Whatever the reasons, disgraceful and has no place in modern football.
P.S. the clock is now ticking as to when Old Winky makes his comment.
P.P.S the players who ran up to the crowd to celebrate their goals, thus winding them up even more, should be banned at least for the rest of the season. That really was disgraceful.
Could this be the expression of a more general problem? I know both the Milwall and West Ham fans have a history but it seems a huge coincedence that kicks off when the vast majority of people are feeling very frustrated with the way they are governed and who they are governed by?
A few months ago people on this very board were talking about the possiblity of riots due to the political situation, maybe along with the local rivally this was a grass roots expression of this? All of the pent up anger being vented somewhere, anywhere?
West Ham have said that they will ban for life any fans identified as causing trouble. If they actually do that it looks to me like they'll have an half empty ground.
Whatever the reasons, disgraceful and has no place in modern football.
P.S. the clock is now ticking as to when Old Winky makes his comment.
P.P.S the players who ran up to the crowd to celebrate their goals, thus winding them up even more, should be banned at least for the rest of the season. That really was disgraceful.
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Wednesday 26th August 07:36
MeBeingCynical said:
I've come up with a great idea.
Instead of having loads of police in riot gear at these matches why not just tell everyone that there's a police sniper on the roof instructed to shoot anyone kicking anything off.
You only need one bloke!
I feel genuinely sorry for football fans who have to put up with these aInstead of having loads of police in riot gear at these matches why not just tell everyone that there's a police sniper on the roof instructed to shoot anyone kicking anything off.
You only need one bloke!
holes and deeply grateful that the sports I enjoy attending don't seem to attract the same sort of trouble.The Hypno-Toad said:
Just a quick thought;
Could this be the expression of a more general problem? I know both the Milwall and West Ham fans have a history but it seems a huge coincedence that kicks off when the vast majority of people are feeling very frustrated with the way they are governed and who they are governed by?
A few months ago people on this very board were talking about the possiblity of riots due to the political situation, maybe along with the local rivally this was a grass roots expression of this? All of the pent up anger being vented somewhere, anywhere?
West Ham have said that they will ban for life any fans identified as causing trouble. If they actually do that it looks to me like they'll have an half empty ground.
Whatever the reasons, disgraceful and has no place in modern football.
P.S. the clock is now ticking as to when Old Winky makes his comment.
P.P.S the players who ran up to the crowd to celebrate their goals, thus winding them up even more, should be banned at least for the rest of the season. That really was disgraceful.
Could be but most of Millwall's traditional rivals are all in higher leagues than them, they rarely get the chance to 'kick off'. It's only the odd cup fixture that allows them to.Could this be the expression of a more general problem? I know both the Milwall and West Ham fans have a history but it seems a huge coincedence that kicks off when the vast majority of people are feeling very frustrated with the way they are governed and who they are governed by?
A few months ago people on this very board were talking about the possiblity of riots due to the political situation, maybe along with the local rivally this was a grass roots expression of this? All of the pent up anger being vented somewhere, anywhere?
West Ham have said that they will ban for life any fans identified as causing trouble. If they actually do that it looks to me like they'll have an half empty ground.
Whatever the reasons, disgraceful and has no place in modern football.
P.S. the clock is now ticking as to when Old Winky makes his comment.
P.P.S the players who ran up to the crowd to celebrate their goals, thus winding them up even more, should be banned at least for the rest of the season. That really was disgraceful.
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Wednesday 26th August 07:36
I'd also wager that many of West Ham's usual fans would have given the game a wide berth.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Just a quick thought;
Could this be the expression of a more general problem? I know both the Milwall and West Ham fans have a history but it seems a huge coincedence that kicks off when the vast majority of people are feeling very frustrated with the way they are governed and who they are governed by?
A few months ago people on this very board were talking about the possiblity of riots due to the political situation, maybe along with the local rivally this was a grass roots expression of this? All of the pent up anger being vented somewhere, anywhere?
West Ham have said that they will ban for life any fans identified as causing trouble. If they actually do that it looks to me like they'll have an half empty ground.
Whatever the reasons, disgraceful and has no place in modern football.
P.S. the clock is now ticking as to when Old Winky makes his comment.
P.P.S the players who ran up to the crowd to celebrate their goals, thus winding them up even more, should be banned at least for the rest of the season. That really was disgraceful.
Swansea and Cardiff separated by 10 years in different leagues. Young lads who probably never went to the matches ten years earlier are up for it yet the derby is not exactly looked forward to for one of the expected elements (yes I know many do look forward to the footy). The policing in these matches is to stop a real threat. Who kept this fight ticking over for ten years? Certainly not to express umbrage with the gubbmint.Could this be the expression of a more general problem? I know both the Milwall and West Ham fans have a history but it seems a huge coincedence that kicks off when the vast majority of people are feeling very frustrated with the way they are governed and who they are governed by?
A few months ago people on this very board were talking about the possiblity of riots due to the political situation, maybe along with the local rivally this was a grass roots expression of this? All of the pent up anger being vented somewhere, anywhere?
West Ham have said that they will ban for life any fans identified as causing trouble. If they actually do that it looks to me like they'll have an half empty ground.
Whatever the reasons, disgraceful and has no place in modern football.
P.S. the clock is now ticking as to when Old Winky makes his comment.
P.P.S the players who ran up to the crowd to celebrate their goals, thus winding them up even more, should be banned at least for the rest of the season. That really was disgraceful.
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Wednesday 26th August 07:36
The Hypno-Toad said:
Just a quick thought;
Could this be the expression of a more general problem? I know both the Milwall and West Ham fans have a history but it seems a huge coincedence that kicks off when the vast majority of people are feeling very frustrated with the way they are governed and who they are governed by?
A few months ago people on this very board were talking about the possiblity of riots due to the political situation, maybe along with the local rivally this was a grass roots expression of this? All of the pent up anger being vented somewhere, anywhere?
West Ham have said that they will ban for life any fans identified as causing trouble. If they actually do that it looks to me like they'll have an half empty ground.
Whatever the reasons, disgraceful and has no place in modern football.
P.S. the clock is now ticking as to when Old Winky makes his comment.
P.P.S the players who ran up to the crowd to celebrate their goals, thus winding them up even more, should be banned at least for the rest of the season. That really was disgraceful.
Could this be the expression of a more general problem? I know both the Milwall and West Ham fans have a history but it seems a huge coincedence that kicks off when the vast majority of people are feeling very frustrated with the way they are governed and who they are governed by?
A few months ago people on this very board were talking about the possiblity of riots due to the political situation, maybe along with the local rivally this was a grass roots expression of this? All of the pent up anger being vented somewhere, anywhere?
West Ham have said that they will ban for life any fans identified as causing trouble. If they actually do that it looks to me like they'll have an half empty ground.
Whatever the reasons, disgraceful and has no place in modern football.
P.S. the clock is now ticking as to when Old Winky makes his comment.
P.P.S the players who ran up to the crowd to celebrate their goals, thus winding them up even more, should be banned at least for the rest of the season. That really was disgraceful.
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Wednesday 26th August 07:36
Pull the other one. The vast vast majority of the troglodites in the football firms neither know nor care about anything political, you are giving them far more credit than they deserve by assuming their actions are for anything other than wanting to beat the s
t out of one another.timing is nicely dovetailed to Nick Love's film, The firm opening up in September.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_5uFZJwWDk
Shuffles off to eBay to look for a classic Fila Terrinda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_5uFZJwWDk
Shuffles off to eBay to look for a classic Fila Terrinda
Edited by SkinnyBoy on Wednesday 26th August 09:49
Never been to game nor even seen more than 5 mins of a game on TV...but it does seem football plays a part in entertaining the scum. Whether its giving the thick kids something to be good at at school or a place for fat retards to run around shirtless at the weekend....seems a magnet for tts. And impossible to ever change unless you start asking the players to join out of colledge/uni instead of signing them when their little kids....the average player will always be a certain type and that will attract those punters.
I'm sure there are millions of great fans.....but it's not a sport i'd ever involve my kids in. This year they've seen motor racing, WSB, GB basketball, Rugby, etc.....not seen one ugly drunk or ever felt in any danger at all.
ts. And impossible to ever change unless you start asking the players to join out of colledge/uni instead of signing them when their little kids....the average player will always be a certain type and that will attract those punters.I'm sure there are millions of great fans.....but it's not a sport i'd ever involve my kids in. This year they've seen motor racing, WSB, GB basketball, Rugby, etc.....not seen one ugly drunk or ever felt in any danger at all.
Tiggsy said:
Never been to game nor even seen more than 5 mins of a game on TV...but it does seem football plays a part in entertaining the scum. Whether its giving the thick kids something to be good at at school or a place for fat retards to run around shirtless at the weekend....seems a magnet for tts. And impossible to ever change unless you start asking the players to join out of colledge/uni instead of signing them when their little kids....the average player will always be a certain type and that will attract those punters.
I'm sure there are millions of great fans.....but it's not a sport i'd ever involve my kids in. This year they've seen motor racing, WSB, GB basketball, Rugby, etc.....not seen one ugly drunk or ever felt in any danger at all.
Loads of parents/kids happily and safely go to games every week. Just avoid clubs with a "reputation" (West Ham, Millwall etc.), especially when they're playing each other!.ts. And impossible to ever change unless you start asking the players to join out of colledge/uni instead of signing them when their little kids....the average player will always be a certain type and that will attract those punters.I'm sure there are millions of great fans.....but it's not a sport i'd ever involve my kids in. This year they've seen motor racing, WSB, GB basketball, Rugby, etc.....not seen one ugly drunk or ever felt in any danger at all.
Many/most clubs have cleaned things up a lot (although there's little that they can do outside the ground, esp non ticket holders) and football is far more family friendly now than it was in the 70s/80s/90s.
You've never seen an ugly drunk at a Rugby game
I've heard some funny things in my time but that tops them all 
West Ham and Millwall say they're "serious" about the issue. We've seen how many fans were on the pitch because of all the footage/pics etc. Let's see them publish how many actually end up banned. I've never been convinced that Millwall and WH were ever that serious (compared to most clubs) about ridding their club of the scum element (X-thousand scum for example is X-thousand ticket buyers remember!)....
Edited by Dracoro on Wednesday 26th August 10:16
Tiggsy said:
I'm sure there are millions of great fans.....but it's not a sport i'd ever involve my kids in. This year they've seen motor racing, WSB, GB basketball, Rugby, etc.....not seen one ugly drunk or ever felt in any danger at all.
'alf 'n' 'alf.The British GP last year had a dispropotionately high level of England Shirt-less twunts adorned with glorious tattoos and armed with obligatory can of cheap fizzy lager. Even saw a couple giving a load of lip to the doorman of the BARC Club. Until doorman chap said 'no Sir, you cannot enter the BARC club as you have neither membership nor the brains for membership' a bit more lip, two louts on their arse, and the police arrived to chuck 'em out.
Complete contrast to the DTM at Brands - took the kids and it had the atmosphere of a village fete. In fact the only two coppers I saw in the circuit all day were laughing and joking with the crowd around the Mercedes stand. Nobody (obviously) drunk. No mindless idiots. Polite people. Magic.
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