'Legal highs' set to be banned - What next?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8218688.stm
Unsurprising really given this government's predeliction to banning things and taking away what few civil liberties we do have.
My point is not really about banning the legal highs, I never saw the point of those when the illegal highs were perfectly adequate, but more wondering where is it going to stop?
Last night, after being stuck on a train for hours, I came home and helped myself to nice bottle of Organic cider and a few rashers of streaky bacon.
There's no chance they'll ban the cider, far too much tax to make, but the bacon?
I fear it won't be too many years before this pleasure too is banned.
It's already started with telling people that you shouldn't give children bacon, there're warnings on the packet that it's not the healthiest of foods and it also offends certain sensitive faiths.
We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
OK I'm off for a bacon sarnie while I can,.
Unsurprising really given this government's predeliction to banning things and taking away what few civil liberties we do have.
My point is not really about banning the legal highs, I never saw the point of those when the illegal highs were perfectly adequate, but more wondering where is it going to stop?
Last night, after being stuck on a train for hours, I came home and helped myself to nice bottle of Organic cider and a few rashers of streaky bacon.
There's no chance they'll ban the cider, far too much tax to make, but the bacon?
I fear it won't be too many years before this pleasure too is banned.
It's already started with telling people that you shouldn't give children bacon, there're warnings on the packet that it's not the healthiest of foods and it also offends certain sensitive faiths.
We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
OK I'm off for a bacon sarnie while I can,.
Morning toast! There was a programme about legal highs a few weeks ago. They put some wierd s
t you wouldnt expect in them, stuff they havent said on the news. Youd probably better off taking regular exctasty or weed.
The government, intsead of banning these things should look into a way of proper regulation so people know what goes into what they are actually taking (think of all the tax theyd rake in).
I used to think all drugs should be banned, but its a bit like asking for world peace. So surely regulation instead of demonisation, it might even reduce the number of drug related deaths which can only be a good thing?
I have no experience of drugs, drug taking (except prescription) or no family members close to me have a drug problem so am well aware I am possibly talking out of my arse.
t you wouldnt expect in them, stuff they havent said on the news. Youd probably better off taking regular exctasty or weed.The government, intsead of banning these things should look into a way of proper regulation so people know what goes into what they are actually taking (think of all the tax theyd rake in).
I used to think all drugs should be banned, but its a bit like asking for world peace. So surely regulation instead of demonisation, it might even reduce the number of drug related deaths which can only be a good thing?
I have no experience of drugs, drug taking (except prescription) or no family members close to me have a drug problem so am well aware I am possibly talking out of my arse.
Edited by TheForceV4 on Tuesday 25th August 07:14
toasty said:
It's already started with telling people that you shouldn't give children bacon, there're warnings on the packet that it's not the healthiest of foods and it also offends certain sensitive faiths.
We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
It's called education isn't it? If processed foods such as bacon and some types of ham are found to be detrimental to health when consumed in certain quantities, surely that's good news isn't it? It means we now have the knowledge to improve our well being. It's like the old smoking debate, 30 years ago everyone was very cynical about the health consequences but now it's crystal clear. It's called progress. Otherwise we'd still see chewing tobacco, never brushing our teeth, eating food full of saturated fats, drinking soft drinks etc as nothing to worry about regarding our health.We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
I think it's great that science discovers such things and gives us the chance to use the results to educate the population. The real problem is that so many remai in denial about such findings by sticking their heads in th sand. When they get cronic illnesses such as heart disease, diabetes 2, lung cancer etc they invariably say "why me? It must be hereditary". Most of the time it's simply down to lifestyle. Sometimes we need a helping hand in changing our ways and sometimes that comes in the way of restrictions/control.
Edited by Silver993tt on Tuesday 25th August 07:16
Silver993tt said:
toasty said:
It's already started with telling people that you shouldn't give children bacon, there're warnings on the packet that it's not the healthiest of foods and it also offends certain sensitive faiths.
We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
It's called education isn't it? If processed foods such as bacon and some types of ham are found to be detrimental to health when consumed in certain quantities, surely that's good news isn't it? It means we now have the knowledge to improve our well being. It's like the old smoking debate, 30 years ago everyone was very cynical about the health consequences but now it's crystal clear. It's called progress. Otherwise we'd still see chewing tobacco, never brushing our teeth, eating food full of saturated fats, drinking soft drinks etc as nothing to worry about regarding our health.We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
TheForceV4 said:
Morning toast! There was a programme about legal highs a few weeks ago. They put some wierd st you wouldnt expect in them, stuff they havent said on the news. Youd probably better off taking regular exctasty or weed.
The government, intsead of banning these things should look into a way of proper regulation so people know what goes into what they are actually taking (think of all the tax theyd rake in).
I used to think all drugs should be banned, but its a bit like asking for world peace. So surely regulation instead of demonisation, it might even reduce the number of drug related deaths which can only be a good thing?
I have no experience of drugs, drug taking (except prescription) or no family members close to me have a drug problem so am well aware I am possibly talking out of my arse.
Do you have to hit your own head with hammer to know that it might not be good for you?t you wouldnt expect in them, stuff they havent said on the news. Youd probably better off taking regular exctasty or weed.The government, intsead of banning these things should look into a way of proper regulation so people know what goes into what they are actually taking (think of all the tax theyd rake in).
I used to think all drugs should be banned, but its a bit like asking for world peace. So surely regulation instead of demonisation, it might even reduce the number of drug related deaths which can only be a good thing?
I have no experience of drugs, drug taking (except prescription) or no family members close to me have a drug problem so am well aware I am possibly talking out of my arse.
Edited by TheForceV4 on Tuesday 25th August 07:14
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/6084471...
Next will be the enforcement of Internet censorship by a government department run by an unelected member of the cabinet.
Yes it's a law designed to stop copyright infringement which isn’t a bad thing, until you stop and think how they will enforce it. The only real way of doing it is to monitor all internet traffic; the punishment is the ability to force disconnection for the people who have been found guilty of downloading censored material . . . . . . . . . . spot the opportunity to abuse these powers as soon as the law's passed!
Welcome to 1984
Next will be the enforcement of Internet censorship by a government department run by an unelected member of the cabinet.
Yes it's a law designed to stop copyright infringement which isn’t a bad thing, until you stop and think how they will enforce it. The only real way of doing it is to monitor all internet traffic; the punishment is the ability to force disconnection for the people who have been found guilty of downloading censored material . . . . . . . . . . spot the opportunity to abuse these powers as soon as the law's passed!
Welcome to 1984
Edited by AndrewW-G on Tuesday 25th August 07:56
Silver993tt said:
toasty said:
It's already started with telling people that you shouldn't give children bacon, there're warnings on the packet that it's not the healthiest of foods and it also offends certain sensitive faiths.
We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
It's called education isn't it? If processed foods such as bacon and some types of ham are found to be detrimental to health when consumed in certain quantities, surely that's good news isn't it? It means we now have the knowledge to improve our well being. It's like the old smoking debate, 30 years ago everyone was very cynical about the health consequences but now it's crystal clear. It's called progress. Otherwise we'd still see chewing tobacco, never brushing our teeth, eating food full of saturated fats, drinking soft drinks etc as nothing to worry about regarding our health.We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
I think it's great that science discovers such things and gives us the chance to use the results to educate the population. The real problem is that so many remai in denial about such findings by sticking their heads in th sand. When they get cronic illnesses such as heart disease, diabetes 2, lung cancer etc they invariably say "why me? It must be hereditary". Most of the time it's simply down to lifestyle. Sometimes we need a helping hand in changing our ways and sometimes that comes in the way of restrictions/control.
Edited by Silver993tt on Tuesday 25th August 07:16
The same quality of scientific endeavour which brings ever more amazing cars to us PHers, also gains a better understanding of the way our bodies work and consequent threats. But when the findings are unpalatable we see it as another nail in the coffin for freedom.
I agree with the OP
This is the thin end of the wedge, Just wait until the government decide that something you enjoy is not good for your health or anti social.
Recently they made it harder to play airsoft, We were lucky it wasnt an outright ban but the whole community is walking on eggshells in case our defense from the VCRA is removed, I see airgunners in Scotland are staring down the barrel of a ban.
Just because I'm not affected by the legal high ban, doesn't mean it shouldn't concern me.
This is the thin end of the wedge, Just wait until the government decide that something you enjoy is not good for your health or anti social.
Recently they made it harder to play airsoft, We were lucky it wasnt an outright ban but the whole community is walking on eggshells in case our defense from the VCRA is removed, I see airgunners in Scotland are staring down the barrel of a ban.
Just because I'm not affected by the legal high ban, doesn't mean it shouldn't concern me.
scorp said:
Silver993tt said:
toasty said:
It's already started with telling people that you shouldn't give children bacon, there're warnings on the packet that it's not the healthiest of foods and it also offends certain sensitive faiths.
We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
It's called education isn't it? If processed foods such as bacon and some types of ham are found to be detrimental to health when consumed in certain quantities, surely that's good news isn't it? It means we now have the knowledge to improve our well being. It's like the old smoking debate, 30 years ago everyone was very cynical about the health consequences but now it's crystal clear. It's called progress. Otherwise we'd still see chewing tobacco, never brushing our teeth, eating food full of saturated fats, drinking soft drinks etc as nothing to worry about regarding our health.We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
Silver993tt said:
scorp said:
Silver993tt said:
toasty said:
It's already started with telling people that you shouldn't give children bacon, there're warnings on the packet that it's not the healthiest of foods and it also offends certain sensitive faiths.
We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
It's called education isn't it? If processed foods such as bacon and some types of ham are found to be detrimental to health when consumed in certain quantities, surely that's good news isn't it? It means we now have the knowledge to improve our well being. It's like the old smoking debate, 30 years ago everyone was very cynical about the health consequences but now it's crystal clear. It's called progress. Otherwise we'd still see chewing tobacco, never brushing our teeth, eating food full of saturated fats, drinking soft drinks etc as nothing to worry about regarding our health.We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
Freedom means the ability to make the wrong choices as well as the right ones
Silver993tt said:
scorp said:
Silver993tt said:
toasty said:
It's already started with telling people that you shouldn't give children bacon, there're warnings on the packet that it's not the healthiest of foods and it also offends certain sensitive faiths.
We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
It's called education isn't it? If processed foods such as bacon and some types of ham are found to be detrimental to health when consumed in certain quantities, surely that's good news isn't it? It means we now have the knowledge to improve our well being. It's like the old smoking debate, 30 years ago everyone was very cynical about the health consequences but now it's crystal clear. It's called progress. Otherwise we'd still see chewing tobacco, never brushing our teeth, eating food full of saturated fats, drinking soft drinks etc as nothing to worry about regarding our health.We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
Some people have these bizarre notion that politicians are more intelligent and informed than the public and can therefore make decisions for us. They aren't and they can't.
AndrewW-G said:
I tripped over a tree root whilst out for a walk last week, should trees also go to counter the risk of further accidents?
Apparently sohttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193145/Wo...
The thing is though, they're far from 'herbal'. On this programme a few weeks back (as anoher poster also mentioned) they showed that in fact, they could do as much harm as normal drugs. No-one could work out what was in them. I think I'd rather take something where I knew what was in it.
Dr Jekyll said:
Silver993tt said:
scorp said:
Silver993tt said:
toasty said:
It's already started with telling people that you shouldn't give children bacon, there're warnings on the packet that it's not the healthiest of foods and it also offends certain sensitive faiths.
We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
It's called education isn't it? If processed foods such as bacon and some types of ham are found to be detrimental to health when consumed in certain quantities, surely that's good news isn't it? It means we now have the knowledge to improve our well being. It's like the old smoking debate, 30 years ago everyone was very cynical about the health consequences but now it's crystal clear. It's called progress. Otherwise we'd still see chewing tobacco, never brushing our teeth, eating food full of saturated fats, drinking soft drinks etc as nothing to worry about regarding our health.We're doomed I tell you, doomed.
Some people have these bizarre notion that politicians are more intelligent and informed than the public and can therefore make decisions for us. They aren't and they can't.
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