Record A' Level Results - Again
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What utter b
ks these claims are. Most people I have come across that have left school in the last 10 years can't even spell, yet they achieved higher levels of education than I did when I did my A' levels in 89. Utter bks!! The only reason the results are better is because the exams are easier, end of!! Everyone knows it but politicians keep spouting bks about how they have improved standards!!
I have a friend who is a secondary Science teacher, some of the thing she tells me about how they help pupils get better results leaves me dumb founded. When I did mine we had 2 exams at the end of a 2 year course, if you fked up in those exams, it was re sit time, now they virtually know their results by the time they finsh the course.
Unbelievable!
ks these claims are. Most people I have come across that have left school in the last 10 years can't even spell, yet they achieved higher levels of education than I did when I did my A' levels in 89. Utter bks!! The only reason the results are better is because the exams are easier, end of!! Everyone knows it but politicians keep spouting bks about how they have improved standards!!I have a friend who is a secondary Science teacher, some of the thing she tells me about how they help pupils get better results leaves me dumb founded. When I did mine we had 2 exams at the end of a 2 year course, if you f
ked up in those exams, it was re sit time, now they virtually know their results by the time they finsh the course. Unbelievable!
Iain H said:
What utter bks these claims are. Most people I have come across that have left school in the last 10 years can't even spell, yet they achieved higher levels of education than I did when I did my A' levels in 89. Utter bks!! The only reason the results are better is because the exams are easier, end of!! Everyone knows it but politicians keep spouting bks about how they have improved standards!!
I have a friend who is a secondary Science teacher, some of the thing she tells me about how they help pupils get better results leaves me dumb founded. When I did mine we had 2 exams at the end of a 2 year course, if you fked up in those exams, it was re sit time, now they virtually know their results by the time they finsh the course.
Unbelievable!
yu just dont underfks these claims are. Most people I have come across that have left school in the last 10 years can't even spell, yet they achieved higher levels of education than I did when I did my A' levels in 89. Utter bks!! The only reason the results are better is because the exams are easier, end of!! Everyone knows it but politicians keep spouting bks about how they have improved standards!!I have a friend who is a secondary Science teacher, some of the thing she tells me about how they help pupils get better results leaves me dumb founded. When I did mine we had 2 exams at the end of a 2 year course, if you f
ked up in those exams, it was re sit time, now they virtually know their results by the time they finsh the course. Unbelievable!
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What utter bks these claims are. Most people I have come across that have left school in the last 10 years can't even spell, yet they achieved higher levels of education than I did when I did my A' levels in 89. Utter bks!! The only reason the results are better is because the exams are easier, end of!! Everyone knows it but politicians keep spouting bks about how they have improved standards!!
I have a friend who is a secondary Science teacher, some of the thing she tells me about how they help pupils get better results leaves me dumb founded. When I did mine we had 2 exams at the end of a 2 year course, if you fked up in those exams, it was re sit time, now they virtually know their results by the time they finsh the course.
Unbelievable!
isn't that the point of a course?ks these claims are. Most people I have come across that have left school in the last 10 years can't even spell, yet they achieved higher levels of education than I did when I did my A' levels in 89. Utter bks!! The only reason the results are better is because the exams are easier, end of!! Everyone knows it but politicians keep spouting bks about how they have improved standards!!I have a friend who is a secondary Science teacher, some of the thing she tells me about how they help pupils get better results leaves me dumb founded. When I did mine we had 2 exams at the end of a 2 year course, if you f
ked up in those exams, it was re sit time, now they virtually know their results by the time they finsh the course. Unbelievable!
Eric Mc said:
So...?
Well if you are happy with the education system turning out below standard pupils and Politicians believing everything is rosey then you are OK aren't you!!You clearly don't have to work with any of these so called best ever achievers that the schools are putting into the work place. I am amazed some of them can even dress themselves in the morning! Obviously there are some that are very bright and some with intelligence and common sense, but I would say they aren't the majority!
Iain H said:
Eric Mc said:
So...?
Well if you are happy with the education system turning out below standard pupils and Politicians believing everything is rosey then you are OK aren't you!!You clearly don't have to work with any of these so called best ever achievers that the schools are putting into the work place. I am amazed some of them can even dress themselves in the morning! Obviously there are some that are very bright and some with intelligence and common sense, but I would say they aren't the majority!
HOWEVER, good, intelligent students still exist and I certainly don't want to belittle those who hhave genuinely done well.
Eric Mc said:
HOWEVER, good, intelligent students still exist and I certainly don't want to belittle those who hhave genuinely done well.
No one wants to belittle them, the education system does that by removing higher education and employer's ability to separate the exceptional from the merely bright.Eric Mc said:
Iain H said:
Eric Mc said:
So...?
Well if you are happy with the education system turning out below standard pupils and Politicians believing everything is rosey then you are OK aren't you!!You clearly don't have to work with any of these so called best ever achievers that the schools are putting into the work place. I am amazed some of them can even dress themselves in the morning! Obviously there are some that are very bright and some with intelligence and common sense, but I would say they aren't the majority!
HOWEVER, good, intelligent students still exist and I certainly don't want to belittle those who hhave genuinely done well.
Funk Odyssey said:
Iain H said:
What utter bks these claims are. Most people I have come across that have left school in the last 10 years can't even spell, yet they achieved higher levels of education than I did when I did my A' levels in 89. Utter bks!! The only reason the results are better is because the exams are easier, end of!! Everyone knows it but politicians keep spouting bks about how they have improved standards!!
I have a friend who is a secondary Science teacher, some of the thing she tells me about how they help pupils get better results leaves me dumb founded. When I did mine we had 2 exams at the end of a 2 year course, if you fked up in those exams, it was re sit time, now they virtually know their results by the time they finsh the course.
Unbelievable!
isn't that the point of a course?ks these claims are. Most people I have come across that have left school in the last 10 years can't even spell, yet they achieved higher levels of education than I did when I did my A' levels in 89. Utter bks!! The only reason the results are better is because the exams are easier, end of!! Everyone knows it but politicians keep spouting bks about how they have improved standards!!I have a friend who is a secondary Science teacher, some of the thing she tells me about how they help pupils get better results leaves me dumb founded. When I did mine we had 2 exams at the end of a 2 year course, if you f
ked up in those exams, it was re sit time, now they virtually know their results by the time they finsh the course. Unbelievable!
Plotloss said:
Eric Mc said:
HOWEVER, good, intelligent students still exist and I certainly don't want to belittle those who hhave genuinely done well.
No one wants to belittle them, the education system does that by removing higher education and employer's ability to separate the exceptional from the merely bright.And I agree this time too.
But are there really that many people out there that come out with 1st degree's from the top 3 Uni's?
Plotloss said:
Eric Mc said:
HOWEVER, good, intelligent students still exist and I certainly don't want to belittle those who hhave genuinely done well.
No one wants to belittle them, the education system does that by removing higher education and employer's ability to separate the exceptional from the merely bright.With results that would have got a C a generation ago now resulting in an A grade how can you differentiate between the sheer numbers of straight A students?. It was once the sign of an exceptional student, now it is routine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcome-based_educati...
Read, learn, think, realise.
I'm a teacher and the usual outcomes are huge grades and minimal understanding. Teach the exam, not the subject.
Remember, people making me feel good about me is the most important thing and other people feeling good, valued and successful is to them. When everyone improves again, we can all say "well done us" and revel in our success. We do deserve a pay rise as we're great and the students are better than ever. By embracing forward thinking buzzword laden bullst, we can perfect our indoctrination to levels where we will actually come in our pants.
Bring back grading to a curve and actually teaching a subject (ok, for those of you of a buzzword loving nature, "facilitating learning" of a subject) so that the students get it and can manipulate the subject matter to the best of their intelligence.
It isn't going to happen as everyone knows the only way to succeed is to put in more red tape and "objectives". It is total bullst. Sadly, it's where my money comes from and in order to tick box and not have my arse fail to meet it's objective, I have to send out kids with A' and GCSE bits of paper, which are frankly a joke.
I did mickey mouse science at school and science A's. It was a big step and when I attempted a 1966 O' Level Chemistry, I could barely do it. It was fundamental stuff which had been ignored all the way through. It's an embarrasment and only by self education have I filled in the gaps.
I feel for this bunch of leavers. They are going into a cut throat contest where the actual subject matter has been devalued.
Even degrees are now doing "directed learning" based on objectives and you have 1.1 Chem Grads who wouldn't be able to make Copper metal out of Copper Chloride and Zinc metal and a bit of dil HCl. Useless.
At least Oxbridge are keeping the bar up.
I don't think IB's are the problem, they will just employ more of the same techniques.
The snag isn't directed learning. It's using these methods and pressure of statistics to teach an exam, not a subject. The results are usually worthless and the ability of the student with the subject is usually via his/her own cross links. This system does enable staff, which are products of the ste system to appear better than they are. The quality is definately going down. I'm well educated a fair few of my colleagues are not fit for purpose, even though the may have all the boxes ticked.
I will not put my child through this system.......
(Experience of a whole spectrum of schools)
Anyway.....on that note
Well done those who did well and remember that it's true graft that equals success.
Read, learn, think, realise.
I'm a teacher and the usual outcomes are huge grades and minimal understanding. Teach the exam, not the subject.
Remember, people making me feel good about me is the most important thing and other people feeling good, valued and successful is to them. When everyone improves again, we can all say "well done us" and revel in our success. We do deserve a pay rise as we're great and the students are better than ever. By embracing forward thinking buzzword laden bulls
t, we can perfect our indoctrination to levels where we will actually come in our pants.Bring back grading to a curve and actually teaching a subject (ok, for those of you of a buzzword loving nature, "facilitating learning" of a subject) so that the students get it and can manipulate the subject matter to the best of their intelligence.
It isn't going to happen as everyone knows the only way to succeed is to put in more red tape and "objectives". It is total bulls
t. Sadly, it's where my money comes from and in order to tick box and not have my arse fail to meet it's objective, I have to send out kids with A' and GCSE bits of paper, which are frankly a joke. I did mickey mouse science at school and science A's. It was a big step and when I attempted a 1966 O' Level Chemistry, I could barely do it. It was fundamental stuff which had been ignored all the way through. It's an embarrasment and only by self education have I filled in the gaps.
I feel for this bunch of leavers. They are going into a cut throat contest where the actual subject matter has been devalued.
Even degrees are now doing "directed learning" based on objectives and you have 1.1 Chem Grads who wouldn't be able to make Copper metal out of Copper Chloride and Zinc metal and a bit of dil HCl. Useless.
At least Oxbridge are keeping the bar up.
I don't think IB's are the problem, they will just employ more of the same techniques.
The snag isn't directed learning. It's using these methods and pressure of statistics to teach an exam, not a subject. The results are usually worthless and the ability of the student with the subject is usually via his/her own cross links. This system does enable staff, which are products of the s
te system to appear better than they are. The quality is definately going down. I'm well educated a fair few of my colleagues are not fit for purpose, even though the may have all the boxes ticked. I will not put my child through this system.......
(Experience of a whole spectrum of schools)
Anyway.....on that note
Well done those who did well and remember that it's true graft that equals success. 
) system that the Universities and some prominent teachers would like to convert us to?They had that 'Chipmunk' fella being interviewed on Radio 1 this morning, and Moyles was talking to him about his A-level results that he's due to get today. The guy could hardly string a sentence together yet one of his A-levels is in "Cognitive Reasoning" (or something like that) where, apparently, he had to "read newspapers an' novels an' stuff an' work out their flaws and stuff, innit" and "it's really hard, man". Moyles must have liked him because instead of tearing him to shreds over it he merely made some remark about that clearly not being his best subject.
Kind of stunned TBH.
Kind of stunned TBH.
JagLover said:
With results that would have got a C a generation ago now resulting in an A grade how can you differentiate between the sheer numbers of straight A students?. It was once the sign of an exceptional student, now it is routine.
That's why they now have "A*" - a grade above an A. Which is just stupid. Why not just make it harder to get an A? So now we have A*, A, B, C, etc. instead of A, B, C, D, etc. It's like having your amp go up to 11.
I was talking to my friend’s wife’s’ son a few weeks back, and he told me that if he didn’t think he wasn’t going to do well in a particular A-level exam, he sits down with the teacher and the teacher asks him what he would like the questions to be. After, if he still wasn’t sure, the teacher then armed him with the answers for the exam! What he was essentially saying is, if you do not know the answers, or haven’t revised for your exam, don’t worry, because the teachers will do their best to give you the answers beforehand, with little to no intellectual input from the student!
It seems that for the schools, and the spectre of having funding taken away, failure is not an option – except of course, for the student’s when they are out in the real world, where spin and dodgy statistics don’t count.
It seems that for the schools, and the spectre of having funding taken away, failure is not an option – except of course, for the student’s when they are out in the real world, where spin and dodgy statistics don’t count.
JonRB said:
They had that 'Chipmunk' fella being interviewed on Radio 1 this morning, and Moyles was talking to him about his A-level results that he's due to get today. The guy could hardly string a sentence together yet one of his A-levels is in "Cognitive Reasoning" (or something like that) where, apparently, he had to "read newspapers an' novels an' stuff an' work out their flaws and stuff, innit" and "it's really hard, man". Moyles must have liked him because instead of tearing him to shreds over it he merely made some remark about that clearly not being his best subject.
Kind of stunned TBH.
Critical reading, innit blud. Kind of stunned TBH.
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