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Eric Mc said:
How many of that are REALLY capable or available for work?
This is a comment I posted on the "It's BAD, it's VERY VERY BAD.." thread. Apologies for the 'repost', but it's relevant:A few years back, when the government tried to crack down on the levels of incapacity benefit claimants, the industrial estate here was overrun by epsilon minus semi-morons, pasty-faced and prison pallored ('outseide, away from telly' was clearly an unfamiliar environment) panicking to try and find the elusive job.
Furthermore, from the difficulties we had recruiting for lower paid and lower-skilled jobs (in particular 'warriors' for our warehouse) from around 2003 to 2007, the damage that 'soft' benefits and the unprecidented 'creation' of public sector 'jobs' caused was clear. The attitude that the world owed everyone a living was rife and no one wanted to be an indian, they all wanted to be chiefs.
Roll forward to the end of 2008 and (as we knew our pay structure was pretty fair and the job wasn't bad) there are skilled guys knocking our door down to get jobs, even if it's in the warehouse.
As I've said before, households with three generations of unemployed are not uncommon where our business is based...
I can only see a downward spiral from here.
Rampant unemployment and living off benefits, plus massive debts means that whoever takes over will find it too difficult to fix within two periods of government. Then Labour will be voted back in and carry on before - ever downward...
We're fooked.
Rampant unemployment and living off benefits, plus massive debts means that whoever takes over will find it too difficult to fix within two periods of government. Then Labour will be voted back in and carry on before - ever downward...
We're fooked.
Eric Mc said:
Goodbye - your going might ease the pressure on the system if you get sick or old.
So what do you suggest we do, I just don't genuinely see a way out of this anymore? I don't even see a change in government helping at the moment as they'll be too scared to actually address the issues?2,600,000 people on 'incapacity benefits'???
what the fook does that mean?
In what way are 2,600,000 British people incapable of being in work???
Did anyone see the Soldier on TV last night who had lost a leg and was trying desperately to get back to fitness so that he could go back to the frontline in Afghanistan? In light of that, how can we have 2,600,000 people incapable of flipping burgers???
what the fook does that mean?
In what way are 2,600,000 British people incapable of being in work???
Did anyone see the Soldier on TV last night who had lost a leg and was trying desperately to get back to fitness so that he could go back to the frontline in Afghanistan? In light of that, how can we have 2,600,000 people incapable of flipping burgers???
Edited by JakeR on Tuesday 18th August 09:33
nonuts said:
Eric Mc said:
Goodbye - your going might ease the pressure on the system if you get sick or old.
So what do you suggest we do, I just don't genuinely see a way out of this anymore? I don't even see a change in government helping at the moment as they'll be too scared to actually address the issues?This will be bad though for people who like foreign cars and foreign oil (could be a few of those on here).
It could mean though that unemployment is reduced due to our ability to make TV's and export them to China - rather than the other way round
Another alarmist figure from a national tabloid.
I've only ever had one job, part-time while at college (I've been self-employed since), and I received income support for a few months when looking for work. Doesn't mean I was unemployed. Being in receipt of Carer's allowance also doesn't mean that one is unemployed.
All governments massage employment figures to suit their agenda, and you'd have to be extremely naive to assume that a tabloid newspaper didn't have a similar agenda.
I've only ever had one job, part-time while at college (I've been self-employed since), and I received income support for a few months when looking for work. Doesn't mean I was unemployed. Being in receipt of Carer's allowance also doesn't mean that one is unemployed.
All governments massage employment figures to suit their agenda, and you'd have to be extremely naive to assume that a tabloid newspaper didn't have a similar agenda.
Eric Mc said:
Talk about being defeatist.
I honestly think that many PHers just love to revel and wallow in miserableness and negativity.
Buck up, the lot of ya!
Eric if you can't see the real problem as you travel around, I'm surprised.I honestly think that many PHers just love to revel and wallow in miserableness and negativity.
Buck up, the lot of ya!
The elimination of raw material extraction/manufacturing and cross party/political unwillingness to subsidise anything (except banks) since Maggie's time - is proven to have been nought but a dogma which has effectively cut the heart from Britain.
It's got bugger all to do with immigration or even my preferred bugbear, overpopulation - we've had a systemic, effectively demotivating zeitgeist for too long, now which has replaced the work ethic with a leisure based mentality.
People who talk about the UK working the longest hours of any in Europe miss the point - such endeavours are to a degree, indirectly caused by the requirement to finance the black hole - and we must re-embrace the noble concepts of mass employment and fair remuneration.
Perhaps the UK should be more introspective, like the USA and focus on qualitative, multiplier effect benefits resulting from such subsidised mass re-employmement and yes, I'm talking about reigniting industries popular, bourgois conversation would blithey dismiss as dead wood concepts.
Well listen up, Lucinda - not everyone can be the intern at La-De-Da Gunner Graham's Resource Awareness Centre, Isligntony...
Funk Odyssey said:
Plotloss said:
Eric Mc said:
I honestly think that many PHers just love to revel and wallow in miserableness and negativity.
Coming from the man who has whined endlessly about changes to the structure of an internet forum that is nothing short of hilarious.Great, great work.
Entirely inconsequential of course but thanks anyway.
derestrictor said:
Eric Mc said:
Talk about being defeatist.
I honestly think that many PHers just love to revel and wallow in miserableness and negativity.
Buck up, the lot of ya!
Eric if you can't see the real problem as you travel around, I'm surprised.I honestly think that many PHers just love to revel and wallow in miserableness and negativity.
Buck up, the lot of ya!
As for people leaving making things better for those who stay, either through choice or inability through lack of options, that's short-sighted. Those that leave or spend signifcanly less economically productive time here typically won't be on the dole or receiving numerous benefits - though one day we might be sending economic migrants to Poland there's not much sign of it yet - and they will tend to have health insurance. So, those remaining will have a bigger share of Labour's debts to pay, and more scroungers will be loaded on the back of each member of the hardworking class still here.
Article Said said:
The six-million figure is made up of 1.58million on Jobseeker’s Allowance, 2.6million on incapacity benefits and the new Employment and Support Allowance, 740,000 on lone parents’ benefits, 400,000 on carers’ benefits, 180,000 on income-related benefits, 360,000 on disability benefits and 95,000 on bereavement benefits
Those figures dont add up.For a start, some people could be on more than one of those benefits, secondly, some of those benefits can be claimed whilst still holding down a full time job, and some you can get once you've retired, so shouldn't be expected to work.
But, as we all know, there are lots of poeple out there suffering from the pandemic that is Lazy-b
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