Campaign against alcohol.

[groucho]

Anybody else noticed the campaign against alcohol is gaining ground? A lot of it on the TV at the moment. Perhaps they'll ban it from pubs.

[Jasandjules]

I don't watch adverts....

But given when I look at shoppers in any supermarket they often have piles of booze in the trolley, I don't think it's working...........

[bob1179]

I've never heard of it personally.

But they can go forth and multiply, I sure they're another bunch of tts telling us how to live our lives and what we should and shouldn't do.

[JMGS4]

Saw the Panorama last night, and after seeing that (and other legless scum sprawling and brawling in London last month) I feel that something must be done to stop or at least slow down the idiotic coma-drinking that goes on. Enjoy your alcohol, yes, have a good time yes, but when it gets to the stage where no one is even slightly decently behaved is childish and abhorrent.
This binge drinking is just another sign of the dramatic degeneration of Britains youth, and typifies the average Brit on holiday as well...
I was no angel in my youth but have never been at a stage where I was totally legless and not in (felt) control... nor had to be taken down to the station to get dried out.
John the GOM...

[Digga]

For fk's sake. Has no one ever read classic English literature?

Dickens, Chaucer, Shakespeare - they all make numerous references to the fact that one of the great escapes for the masses was to get mind-bendingly, hog whimperingly pissed. Always has been a favourite passtime and means of blotting out the pain of the (English) human condition, always will be. End of. Leave it.

[JMGS4]

Digga said:

For fk's sake. Has no one ever read classic English literature?

Dickens, Chaucer, Shakespeare - they all make numerous references to the fact that one of the great escapes for the masses was to get mind-bendingly, hog whimperingly pissed. Always has been a favourite passtime and means of blotting out the pain of the (English) human condition, always will be. End of. Leave it.

Yes have read, however there is no mention of destroying otehrs property, GBH, malicious wounding, murder while under the influence, as happens today, AFAIR!

[The Hypno-Toad]

Report on booze giving you mouth cancer this morning too...hmmmmm......

I don't smoke, I don't drink (what do I do?) but there seems to be an agenda growing here about anyone enjoying themselves.
Of course we need better drink education but the vast majority of people don't abuse it. This just seems like now we have got rid of fags what else can we either ban or make so expensive that the proles can't afford it anymore.

They, on the other hand, can just stick it on expenses....

[JMGS4]

The Hypno-Toad said:

Of course we need better drink education but the vast majority of people don't abuse it. ....

But the ones that do give everyone a bad impression.. and that's how New labour manage to opress the silent majority in Britain.....

[Eric Mc]

Maybe we do need a bit of a serious debate on the problems alcohol is causing in society. There is no doubt that the "binge culture" is a lot worse than it was 10 or 20 years ago.

We've been here before. Back in the 19th century drink was relatively cheap and alcoholism and other drink related social problems were rife. A massive temperance movement began which resulted in all sorts of cultural changes occuring. Many of the organisations and leisure activities we now take for granted began as an attempt to counter the drink culture of the day -

the Boy's Brigade
the Boy Scouts
the Salvation Army
nearly all the original (now famous) soccer clubs
the YMCA (and consequently basketball)

Of course, things probably went a bit too far. In WW1 licensing laws and bar opening hours were standardised across the nation and by the 1920s alcohol had been baned outright in the US (a disastrous policy as it turned out).

However, I can see parallels developing between what is being said now and how the anti-alcohol movement was in (say) the 1850s.

Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 11th August 08:30

[Digga]

JMGS4 said:

Digga said:

For fk's sake. Has no one ever read classic English literature?

Dickens, Chaucer, Shakespeare - they all make numerous references to the fact that one of the great escapes for the masses was to get mind-bendingly, hog whimperingly pissed. Always has been a favourite passtime and means of blotting out the pain of the (English) human condition, always will be. End of. Leave it.

Yes have read, however there is no mention of destroying otehrs property, GBH, malicious wounding, murder while under the influence, as happens today, AFAIR!

Sorry, but you're plain wrong, none of these are 21st century inventions.

Granted, there is an underclass (membership of which seems to be drawn from many professions and incomes, as well as the ranks of the unemployed/unemployable) of true scum, which the states nanny policies have recently done well to nuture, but none of this is new.

One of the funniest books I've ever read is the Pickwick Papers and a good deal of what's funny about it is how poorly behaved the 'gentlemen' Pickwicians were.

[JMGS4]

Digga said:

what's funny about it is how poorly behaved the 'gentlemen' Pickwicians were.

One just needs to go to Ascot, Henley, or some polo matches or riding events to see some (certainly not all) of the gentlemen chavs... seem somehow more disgusting than the doleite fatties from a sink estate spewing in the town centre!

[Colonial]

JMGS4 said:

Digga said:

For fk's sake. Has no one ever read classic English literature?

Dickens, Chaucer, Shakespeare - they all make numerous references to the fact that one of the great escapes for the masses was to get mind-bendingly, hog whimperingly pissed. Always has been a favourite passtime and means of blotting out the pain of the (English) human condition, always will be. End of. Leave it.

Yes have read, however there is no mention of destroying otehrs property, GBH, malicious wounding, murder while under the influence, as happens today, AFAIR!

You are wrong. Very, very wrong.

[AndrewW-G]

So the unwashed masses can’t handle their drink and therefore need to have its availability limited, why not give them a daily ration, the more responsible middle classes a weekly ration and for the ruling class unrestricted access to alcohol . . . . . . . . . . it's a brave new world out there

Edited by AndrewW-G on Tuesday 11th August 09:49

[Eric Mc]

Sounds like the 1880s again.

As I said, this isn't a new phenomenon. We've been here before.

[Parrot of Doom]

JMGS4 said:

Digga said:

For fk's sake. Has no one ever read classic English literature?

Dickens, Chaucer, Shakespeare - they all make numerous references to the fact that one of the great escapes for the masses was to get mind-bendingly, hog whimperingly pissed. Always has been a favourite passtime and means of blotting out the pain of the (English) human condition, always will be. End of. Leave it.

Yes have read, however there is no mention of destroying otehrs property, GBH, malicious wounding, murder while under the influence, as happens today, AFAIR!

No, of course not:

[SeeFive]

Sounds like when I was at infants' school.

Teacher: "Right Smith, if you don't behave I will keep the whole class in"

Nail the few REAL culprits heavily and let the rest of us get on with drinking and not getting out of control. Nanny state again.

[Smiler.]

As I watched the constant parade of mongs off their tits on tart fuel, I wondered what these people do during the day? Are they all benefit leechers or do they have jobs?

If so, I wouldn't want to employ someone like that. I wouldn't even want to associate with them at all.


That said, the BBC must have bought a job-lot of "Britain - it's ste" programmes because every time I turn on the telly, that's all I see:


Pregnant teenage bimbo's.
13 year olds who DEMAND breast enlargements.
Brainless teenage female chavs, who don't understand the words 'responsibly' or 'no', and, funnily enough, behave like trolls in front of a camera.


Then consider the actions of those 3 that were responsible for the death of that poor little kid Peter Connelly.

"Ah, but those people were evil, they're not like that" - no, of course not.


And Eric, your point about the youth organisations is spot-on.

[thinfourth2]

I wonder if the solution will involve fines and high taxes

[grumbledoak]

JMGS4 said:

Saw the Panorama last night, ...

Stop watching that crap.

And, until you can get a decent grip on our history and political trends, stay away from policy making.

[Horse_Apple]

groucho said:

Anybody else noticed the campaign against alcohol is gaining ground? A lot of it on the TV at the moment. Perhaps they'll ban it from pubs.

I am so against alcohol on the shelves of British shops and in our pubs that I have selflessly dedicated as much of my spare time as possible of ridding the world of these evils