ID Cards...

[theaxe]

Final design of the controversial national identity card.

(It) "will not be compulsory." - unless you want to get a passport, see your dentist, buy a house, walk outside, etc...

Edited by theaxe on Thursday 30th July 16:04

[Skywalker]

I think the card he is holding should say "Stool Sample" rather than "Specimen" on it.

[Nero601]

well lets just see if they are still in power first , that will be a no then ?

[Strangely Brown]

What is the point of them? Unless every single place where you will use it to prove your ID has a machine that can read it to check the database then it is no more secure than any other fakeable ID card. Moreover, what form of ID do I need to prove who I am in order to get one? If I can do that then why do I need one?

All bks.

[MentalSarcasm]

At what age will you be required to get one?

Just wondering because of under-age purchases. Admittedly the only thing anyone under the age of 18 would need ID for is paracetemol and films (and even then I've never seen someone get IDed at a cinema), but if passports and driving licenses are scrapped (and let's face it, they will be, I wouldn't trust the government as far as I could throw them) then what else would be used for ID if you could only get an ID card when you're 18 (if it is 18)?

[Broccers]

There was a piece in our trade press (Print) saying cameron has told all printers to ignore contracts placed as these will not happen when they get in power.

Depends on your politics but I'm thinking while no-one seems to be feeling the pinch due to silly interests rates it may still go ahead.

[cazzer]

Aparently they're already compulsory for foreign nationals.
Oh yeah? No one's told my missus that and not having one doesn't seem to be presenting any problems.

[Marf]

Strangely Brown said:

What is the point of them? Unless every single place where you will use it to prove your ID has a machine that can read it to check the database then it is no more secure than any other fakeable ID card.

Even if there were machines in every place, its still eminently hackable. The biometric data is stored on the card, and from what I understand the checkers in many instances will check you against the card, not the database.

[loltolhurst]

unbelievable how much they will spend on this - if u need id then theres a passport which doesnt cost umpteen billion

[bonsai]

Irrelevant - the Tories will have scrapped it by this time next year.

[loltolhurst]

bonsai said:

Irrelevant - the Tories will have scrapped it by this time next year.

the money they will have wasted on it isnt irrelevant

[RDE]

I thought this had all but fallen on its arse after the trial was cancelled and the new chap in charge of the scheme wasn't entirely sure of the merits of it?

[Jasandjules]

Yet more taxpayer's money wasted by the scum currently in power.

[RDE]

BBC report said:

Mr Johnson

BBC report said:

was a "no brainer"

Why doesn't anyone plugging this ever answer any of the multitude of reasons for it being an awful idea? Why do we need it? What's the point if it isn't compulsory? How does everyone having a card prevent terrorism?

And so on.

And to add insult to gaping fatal wound, it even looks sh!t as well.

[CommanderJameson]

Marf said:

Strangely Brown said:

What is the point of them? Unless every single place where you will use it to prove your ID has a machine that can read it to check the database then it is no more secure than any other fakeable ID card.

Even if there were machines in every place, its still eminently hackable. The biometric data is stored on the card, and from what I understand the checkers in many instances will check you against the card, not the database.

I imagine it will be done like it is in supermarkets for cards - there's a local authorisation that's then batched up and dealt with overnight (or whenever). If there were to be a direct connection made to the database every time an ID card was queried, it'd drop to its knees and beg for forgiveness in about five seconds.

[Puggit]

Where's the Union (Jack) flag?

[Strangely Brown]

CommanderJameson said:

Marf said:

Strangely Brown said:

What is the point of them? Unless every single place where you will use it to prove your ID has a machine that can read it to check the database then it is no more secure than any other fakeable ID card.

Even if there were machines in every place, its still eminently hackable. The biometric data is stored on the card, and from what I understand the checkers in many instances will check you against the card, not the database.

I imagine it will be done like it is in supermarkets for cards - there's a local authorisation that's then batched up and dealt with overnight (or whenever). If there were to be a direct connection made to the database every time an ID card was queried, it'd drop to its knees and beg for forgiveness in about five seconds.

WTF good is doing stuff overnight? If you need to prove your ID then it's usually because there is a need to prove that you are who you say you are there and then. The card on its own is not capable of doing that. There MUST be some kind of biometric reader (face or fingerprint) at the point of authorisation that is capable of verifying that the holder, card and database all match. Anything less is completely pointless. That alone means that the whole system is a joke and will never be implemented in any beneficial way.

[RDE]

Strangely Brown said:

That alone means that the whole system is a joke and will never be implemented in any beneficial way.

The fact that it won't be compulsory achieves this aim much more easily.

[Marf]

Strangely Brown said:

CommanderJameson said:

Marf said:

Strangely Brown said:

What is the point of them? Unless every single place where you will use it to prove your ID has a machine that can read it to check the database then it is no more secure than any other fakeable ID card.

Even if there were machines in every place, its still eminently hackable. The biometric data is stored on the card, and from what I understand the checkers in many instances will check you against the card, not the database.

I imagine it will be done like it is in supermarkets for cards - there's a local authorisation that's then batched up and dealt with overnight (or whenever). If there were to be a direct connection made to the database every time an ID card was queried, it'd drop to its knees and beg for forgiveness in about five seconds.

WTF good is doing stuff overnight? If you need to prove your ID then it's usually because there is a need to prove that you are who you say you are there and then. The card on its own is not capable of doing that. There MUST be some kind of biometric reader (face or fingerprint) at the point of authorisation that is capable of verifying that the holder, card and database all match. Anything less is completely pointless. That alone means that the whole system is a joke and will never be implemented in any beneficial way.

Thats just it, there is a biometric reader, but rather than it routinely checking your fingerprint against the database, it checks your finger print against the data held on the card. Its a massive flaw in the system which presents huge opportunities for ID theft and fraud.

[CommanderJameson]

Strangely Brown said:

CommanderJameson said:

Marf said:

Strangely Brown said:

What is the point of them? Unless every single place where you will use it to prove your ID has a machine that can read it to check the database then it is no more secure than any other fakeable ID card.

Even if there were machines in every place, its still eminently hackable. The biometric data is stored on the card, and from what I understand the checkers in many instances will check you against the card, not the database.

I imagine it will be done like it is in supermarkets for cards - there's a local authorisation that's then batched up and dealt with overnight (or whenever). If there were to be a direct connection made to the database every time an ID card was queried, it'd drop to its knees and beg for forgiveness in about five seconds.

WTF good is doing stuff overnight? If you need to prove your ID then it's usually because there is a need to prove that you are who you say you are there and then. The card on its own is not capable of doing that. There MUST be some kind of biometric reader (face or fingerprint) at the point of authorisation that is capable of verifying that the holder, card and database all match. Anything less is completely pointless. That alone means that the whole system is a joke and will never be implemented in any beneficial way.

In my imagined scenario (necessitated by the probable fact that the gubmint hasn't got a cat in hell's chance of implementing a database capable of fielding the number of queries that would be generated by live connections every time a card is used) the validation would simply be that the biometrics match the those of the person presenting the card.

If you've hacked the card to misrepresent the identity attached to your own biometrics, you're golden.

ETA: Bloody hell. Marf just said what I wanted to say, but in less words. And better.

Edited by CommanderJameson on Thursday 30th July 23:08