UK Sperm (and Egg!) Donor Idiocy
Discussion
So.
New Labour's attempts to give every child a "right" to know who their biological parents are backfires. Understandably donors, worried about their anonymity, or possibly even the perils of the CSA are simply staying away.
So what do the idiots in charge want now? Allowing them to be paid.
Want cheap spunk from impoverished students? Pay 'em.
Why not just give donors back their right to anonymity? FFS. Is there anything this shower of impotent, brainless baboons can't screw up?
New Labour's attempts to give every child a "right" to know who their biological parents are backfires. Understandably donors, worried about their anonymity, or possibly even the perils of the CSA are simply staying away.
So what do the idiots in charge want now? Allowing them to be paid.
Want cheap spunk from impoverished students? Pay 'em.
Why not just give donors back their right to anonymity? FFS. Is there anything this shower of impotent, brainless baboons can't screw up?
Lunacy isn't it!!!
I'm actually worried that our country may collapse before we see another election! The current lot are so inept, so incompetant, and so devoid of any respect or care for the population. It's getting to the point where it just isn't fun working/ living in this country anymore. When you look at the way people are treaeed here copmared to other so called 'Democratic' countries, it's pretty F'in laughable!
I'm plotting my exit from this dump of a country already. I really hope things will change, but if I'm honest, I just see it getting worse, as we British never stand up for ourselves.....and so we'll keep on taking it up the jacksie!!
I'm actually worried that our country may collapse before we see another election! The current lot are so inept, so incompetant, and so devoid of any respect or care for the population. It's getting to the point where it just isn't fun working/ living in this country anymore. When you look at the way people are treaeed here copmared to other so called 'Democratic' countries, it's pretty F'in laughable!
I'm plotting my exit from this dump of a country already. I really hope things will change, but if I'm honest, I just see it getting worse, as we British never stand up for ourselves.....and so we'll keep on taking it up the jacksie!!
FourWheelDrift said:
You sound like a disgusted donor?
Nope. To be honest I just read this article on the Beeb...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8170467.stm
And thought what a piece of crap journalism and wooly headed thinking.
Never thought of donating sperm, myself, and I wouldn't think of it now...even if they wanted it!
JagLover said:
Why not pay them?. It involves a significant amount of time (and inconveniance for egg donors).
I understand compensating donors for the inconvenience.But a financial incentive is likely to motivate the "wrong" sort of donor. Do you really want sperm donors "fathering" children because they were desperate for £20? And these are the very people least likely to be discouraged by the lack of anonymity. If you want high quality donors drawn from a population of successful professionals these are the least likely people to be motivated by £20 and the most likely to be discouraged by a possible visit from the CSA!
Don said:
JagLover said:
Why not pay them?. It involves a significant amount of time (and inconveniance for egg donors).
I understand compensating donors for the inconvenience.But a financial incentive is likely to motivate the "wrong" sort of donor. Do you really want sperm donors "fathering" children because they were desperate for £20? And these are the very people least likely to be discouraged by the lack of anonymity. If you want high quality donors drawn from a population of successful professionals these are the least likely people to be motivated by £20 and the most likely to be discouraged by a possible visit from the CSA!
Don said:
But a financial incentive is likely to motivate the "wrong" sort of donor. Do you really want sperm donors "fathering" children because they were desperate for £20? And these are the very people least likely to be discouraged by the lack of anonymity. If you want high quality donors drawn from a population of successful professionals these are the least likely people to be motivated by £20 and the most likely to be discouraged by a possible visit from the CSA!
Yet more well thought out legislation from Labour
kers the lot of em 
Don said:
JagLover said:
Why not pay them?. It involves a significant amount of time (and inconveniance for egg donors).
I understand compensating donors for the inconvenience.But a financial incentive is likely to motivate the "wrong" sort of donor. Do you really want sperm donors "fathering" children because they were desperate for £20? And these are the very people least likely to be discouraged by the lack of anonymity. If you want high quality donors drawn from a population of successful professionals these are the least likely people to be motivated by £20 and the most likely to be discouraged by a possible visit from the CSA!
JagLover said:
Don said:
JagLover said:
Why not pay them?. It involves a significant amount of time (and inconveniance for egg donors).
I understand compensating donors for the inconvenience.But a financial incentive is likely to motivate the "wrong" sort of donor. Do you really want sperm donors "fathering" children because they were desperate for £20? And these are the very people least likely to be discouraged by the lack of anonymity. If you want high quality donors drawn from a population of successful professionals these are the least likely people to be motivated by £20 and the most likely to be discouraged by a possible visit from the CSA!
JagLover said:
If you pay them it would be allot more than £20. In America people can pick from catalogues of succesful people.
Do you think our lot would allow different donors to be paid different amounts?So - you're a tramp with drug problems and Hep C - your spunk is valueless.
So - you're a struggling artist who is starving but disease free your spunk is worth £10
So - you're hugely successfull businessperson who is a multi-millionaire - you're spunk is worth £10K
You can prevent the first. The last doesn't need the £10K or a visit from the CSA.
Don said:
JagLover said:
If you pay them it would be allot more than £20. In America people can pick from catalogues of succesful people.
Do you think our lot would allow different donors to be paid different amounts?So - you're a tramp with drug problems and Hep C - your spunk is valueless.
So - you're a struggling artist who is starving but disease free your spunk is worth £10
So - you're hugely successfull businessperson who is a multi-millionaire - you're spunk is worth £10K
You can prevent the first. The last doesn't need the £10K or a visit from the CSA.
Until there is a free market in this area more and more people will travel abroad for fertility treatment.
There was a fascinating documentary on this subject on BBC3 (I kid you not) a year or so ago. The sperm donor market has dried up (pun intended) so much that just one man was servicing the whole of Northern Ireland - shafes of the Simpsons episode where it turned out Barney Gumble was servicing all of Springfield. The only donation clinic left in Scotland was in Aberdeen.
By far the biggest issue was the loss of anonymity, or any control over that anonymity. Reverse that law change and the numbers would return. New fathers are a particularly good source - not only are they proven capable, but having experienced that feelings of fathering they are very amenable to helping others. It was an ill-thought law (by Harriet Harman, IIRC).
I have no problems with paying donors for their time - either that or give them a naughty nurse to "extract" the sample. But until you remove the sword of Damocles that will be there for the rest of their lives, no one will volunteer.
By far the biggest issue was the loss of anonymity, or any control over that anonymity. Reverse that law change and the numbers would return. New fathers are a particularly good source - not only are they proven capable, but having experienced that feelings of fathering they are very amenable to helping others. It was an ill-thought law (by Harriet Harman, IIRC).
I have no problems with paying donors for their time - either that or give them a naughty nurse to "extract" the sample. But until you remove the sword of Damocles that will be there for the rest of their lives, no one will volunteer.
Hmm, interesting one this. I have a friend whose older sister is a lesbian and years ago was in a steady relationship with another woman (both mingers before you all get too excited). My friends sister decided she wanted sprogs so she was able to get herself pregnant via a sperm bank. She was quite an athlete (women's football captain etc) and she's also ginger, so she chose the sperm from a sporty athletic ginger person like herself.
She's done this twice now and effectively has 2 (sadly ginger) sprogs from the same man, who she's never met and who probably has no idea that he's technically the father of two otherwise normal children. Should those kids be allowed to find out who their dad is? Legally I don't think so, otherwise he should have been warned before he jacked off into the cup... Would it help them to know where they came from?
She's done this twice now and effectively has 2 (sadly ginger) sprogs from the same man, who she's never met and who probably has no idea that he's technically the father of two otherwise normal children. Should those kids be allowed to find out who their dad is? Legally I don't think so, otherwise he should have been warned before he jacked off into the cup... Would it help them to know where they came from?
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