Tories announce election loser policy, road tolls
Discussion
posted from phone so no link but front page Telegraph.
Call me Dave announcing new roads will be toll roads citing the success
of the M6 toll road being a Conservative idea.
Lost my vote there Dave, email on it's way later to my prospective parliamentary candidate.
It seems the nickname Dave call me green Scamoron is accurate. Can I beat Jezza to the draw and be the first person to call our probable next Prime Minister a tw@t.
Call me Dave announcing new roads will be toll roads citing the success
of the M6 toll road being a Conservative idea.Lost my vote there Dave, email on it's way later to my prospective parliamentary candidate.
It seems the nickname Dave call me green Scamoron is accurate. Can I beat Jezza to the draw and be the first person to call our probable next Prime Minister a tw@t.
To be fair, with the current state of the country as caused by Labour, it's probably a choice of 'toll roads' or 'no new roads at all'. There's a big f
king mess to be sorted out by the Tories, very little money to do it with, and it ain't going to be easy.
Don't ever forget who caused all the pain in the first place.
king mess to be sorted out by the Tories, very little money to do it with, and it ain't going to be easy. Don't ever forget who caused all the pain in the first place.
Camoron said:
You know if you look at the one road toll that has been built - the Birmingham Relief Road - great success
Article said:
The M6 toll, or Birmingham North relief road, was first proposed by the Conservatives in the 1980s but only opened in 2003. It was forecast to carry about 74,000 vehicles a day but has failed to meet expectations.
The number of vehicles using the road has actually fallen since it opened and only about 39,000 vehicles a day used the road in 2008. The M6 and other local roads have not seen a reduction in congestion as had been hoped.
Idiot.The number of vehicles using the road has actually fallen since it opened and only about 39,000 vehicles a day used the road in 2008. The M6 and other local roads have not seen a reduction in congestion as had been hoped.
I'm all in favour of toll motorways. They work very well in France. Tolls reduce traffic and pay for roads that otherwise would not be built. It's not even as if the tolls are that expensive.
Would you rather have McDoom increasing income tax and NI to pay for employing more Labour-voting (he hopes) public employees or Cameron raising revenue directly to pay for roads?
ETA: if people will vote Labour just becasue the Tories propose a few toll roads, then Brown really can't be as bad as all that.
Would you rather have McDoom increasing income tax and NI to pay for employing more Labour-voting (he hopes) public employees or Cameron raising revenue directly to pay for roads?
ETA: if people will vote Labour just becasue the Tories propose a few toll roads, then Brown really can't be as bad as all that.
Edited by Zod on Monday 27th July 09:39
Zod said:
I'm all in favour of toll motorways. They work very well in France.
But over here they just seem to result in under-utilised road space. Still better than spy-in-the-cab style road charging though.
Zod said:
Tolls reduce traffic and pay for roads that otherwise would not be built. It's not even as if the tolls are that expensive.
Paying for roads that would otherwise not be built is all very good, but if they are under-used then their utility is somewhat compromised.Zod said:
Would you rather have McDoom increasing income tax and NI to pay for employing more Labour-voting (he hopes) public employees or Cameron raising revenue directly to pay for roads?
Put like that (i.e. as a false dichotomy) then obviously the latter. "Vote for me, my policies (while st) are not as st as his." Is a pretty poor election manifesto though.I'm with Zod on this one - something has to give, and I certainly don't object to paying for the M6 toll if it means saving time, and money, by not trying to grind round Birmingham with everyone else.
However, the danger is it becomes another Dartford crossing - which was only supposed to be Toll until it had been paid for - which is now just a cash generator.
There also becomes the issue of once the toll is introduced, it simply becomes another means of taxation and is open to abuse - like petrol duty and VED.
However, the danger is it becomes another Dartford crossing - which was only supposed to be Toll until it had been paid for - which is now just a cash generator.
There also becomes the issue of once the toll is introduced, it simply becomes another means of taxation and is open to abuse - like petrol duty and VED.
Dunk76 said:
However, the danger is it becomes another Dartford crossing - which was only supposed to be Toll until it had been paid for - which is now just a cash generator.
Together with the Severn bridges, Mersey Tunnels and Tamar bridge, to name but a few - all of which were only supposed to be toll until paid for.Einion Yrth said:
Camoron said:
You know if you look at the one road toll that has been built - the Birmingham Relief Road - great success
Article said:
The M6 toll, or Birmingham North relief road, was first proposed by the Conservatives in the 1980s but only opened in 2003. It was forecast to carry about 74,000 vehicles a day but has failed to meet expectations.
The number of vehicles using the road has actually fallen since it opened and only about 39,000 vehicles a day used the road in 2008. The M6 and other local roads have not seen a reduction in congestion as had been hoped.
Idiot.The number of vehicles using the road has actually fallen since it opened and only about 39,000 vehicles a day used the road in 2008. The M6 and other local roads have not seen a reduction in congestion as had been hoped.
Einion Yrth said:
Paying for roads that would otherwise not be built is all very good, but if they are under-used then their utility is somewhat compromised.
But if it was "fully used" it would be congested - making the new motorways toll-roads dscourages tight-arses and keeps the traffic flowing freely...Edited by jesusbuiltmycar on Monday 27th July 10:07
andy400 said:
Dunk76 said:
However, the danger is it becomes another Dartford crossing - which was only supposed to be Toll until it had been paid for - which is now just a cash generator.
Together with the Severn bridges, Mersey Tunnels and Tamar bridge, to name but a few - all of which were only supposed to be toll until paid for.Plotloss said:
andy400 said:
Dunk76 said:
However, the danger is it becomes another Dartford crossing - which was only supposed to be Toll until it had been paid for - which is now just a cash generator.
Together with the Severn bridges, Mersey Tunnels and Tamar bridge, to name but a few - all of which were only supposed to be toll until paid for.French!!??! I'll be making a point of using the other one then!
thinfourth2 said:
What the Tories aren't the perfect solution that the fan boys always spout on about.
They are also crap just less crap then the current bunch
They are also crap just less crap then the current bunch
UK democracy: try and work out who is the least st, and vote for them.Someone asked me recently: "Do you really think the Tories will make things better?".
"Not really," I replied, "I'm just hoping they'll stop things getting more s
t by the day, which is our current situation."In all honesty, there is a road tax on every road in the UK - the excessive duties we pay on fuel.
Every mile we drive is more than adequately charged for in fuel duties. It is direct usage tax - the more you drive, the more fuel used, the more duty and vat paid.
THey need to ring fence some of it for road building and stop pissing money away on high cost IT projects for road charging.
Every mile we drive is more than adequately charged for in fuel duties. It is direct usage tax - the more you drive, the more fuel used, the more duty and vat paid.
THey need to ring fence some of it for road building and stop pissing money away on high cost IT projects for road charging.
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