Gerrard Found Not Guilty.
Discussion
hornetrider said:
Ah ,but it's news now.hornetrider said:
I think this sits much better as current affairs than sports. elster said:
johnfm said:
How do you know he was guilty?
Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
Cheers
He said he was. Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
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He thought he was going to get hit, so hit someone.
So if no third party would have had reason to believe they were in any danger he was not guilty of affray. If he'd been charged with assault they could probably have made it stick.
Einion Yrth said:
elster said:
johnfm said:
How do you know he was guilty?
Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
Cheers
He said he was. Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
Cheers
He thought he was going to get hit, so hit someone.
So if no third party would have had reason to believe they were in any danger he was not guilty of affray. If he'd been charged with assault they could probably have made it stick.
johnfm said:
How do you know he was guilty?
Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
Its the general belief that celebrities get treated lightly.Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
And in other news, Amy Winehouse gets off an assault charge today as well
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12018...
Edited by tinman0 on Friday 24th July 13:59
elster said:
johnfm said:
How do you know he was guilty?
Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
Cheers
He said he was. Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
Cheers
He thought he was going to get hit, so hit someone.
The law is a little bit more detailed than that, thankfully.
I'm afraid I don't know the ins and outs of the law. However, I've watched the CCTV footage a number of times and it looks like Gerard piled in after McGhee had been elbowed in the face by Gerard's mate. The guy was falling backwards from the impact and that's when Gerard started hitting him. Didn't look much like self defence to me.
johnfm said:
elster said:
johnfm said:
How do you know he was guilty?
Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
Cheers
He said he was. Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
Cheers
He thought he was going to get hit, so hit someone.
The law is a little bit more detailed than that, thankfully.
elster said:
johnfm said:
elster said:
johnfm said:
How do you know he was guilty?
Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
Cheers
He said he was. Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
Cheers
He thought he was going to get hit, so hit someone.
The law is a little bit more detailed than that, thankfully.
elster said:
johnfm said:
elster said:
johnfm said:
How do you know he was guilty?
Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
Cheers
He said he was. Were you in court during the trial? If so, can you briefly summarise teh prosecution's evidence and the defence teams rebuttal?
Cheers
He thought he was going to get hit, so hit someone.
The law is a little bit more detailed than that, thankfully.
The law has developed over centuries to cater for the myriad of situations that can occur - this is just one of them.
Let's say you are hassled outside a pub by a pissed idiot, you've just hit someone or similar. He accosts you with the old 'what the f
k are you looking at, do you want some' bullst. WOuld you wait for him to punch you? If you think he is going to punch you you are legally entitled to defend yourself by pre-emptively dealing with the perceived threat.
I suspect it is down to semantics and legal definitions. Affray can be threatening behaviour and makign threats, maybe the victim made such threats verbally and hence started the affray?
Who knows if the victim kicked out, cctv would not show that?
I think if they had charged Gerrard with ABH, he would have been done for it plain and simple. I suspect CPS treid for too much, but bearing in mind he was initially arrested on suspcion of causing GBH (IIRC), the affray was already a lesser charge.
Although found not guilty per the law, he does not come out of this unscathed by any means. Even if found guilty for it, he woudl not have had a custodial sentence, that would have been crazy. So he has avoided a fine and a criminal record...but hsi reputation is tarnished somewhat now.
I look forward to some of the chants he will have aimed at him next year. I am sure there will be some "Rocky" or "Ali" references for some time to come!!
Who knows if the victim kicked out, cctv would not show that?
I think if they had charged Gerrard with ABH, he would have been done for it plain and simple. I suspect CPS treid for too much, but bearing in mind he was initially arrested on suspcion of causing GBH (IIRC), the affray was already a lesser charge.
Although found not guilty per the law, he does not come out of this unscathed by any means. Even if found guilty for it, he woudl not have had a custodial sentence, that would have been crazy. So he has avoided a fine and a criminal record...but hsi reputation is tarnished somewhat now.
I look forward to some of the chants he will have aimed at him next year. I am sure there will be some "Rocky" or "Ali" references for some time to come!!
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