Finding a Lotto ticket
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/81664...
It seems that you can be arrested and even banged up (although it didn't happen here) for cashing in a Lotto ticket that you find on the floor.
Personally i think that it's a bit unfair that they (the couple that found the ticket) have been charged with theft, as they will now have a criminal record which could have an affect on their jobs.
I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
It seems that you can be arrested and even banged up (although it didn't happen here) for cashing in a Lotto ticket that you find on the floor.
Personally i think that it's a bit unfair that they (the couple that found the ticket) have been charged with theft, as they will now have a criminal record which could have an affect on their jobs.
I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
_Deano said:
Personally i think that it's a bit unfair that they (the couple that found the ticket) have been charged with theft, as they will now have a criminal record which could have an affect on their jobs.
If you left a £30,000 car unlocked by the side of the road and someone took it - would that not count as theft if they claimed "we thought somebody had lost it".Moonhawk said:
_Deano said:
Personally i think that it's a bit unfair that they (the couple that found the ticket) have been charged with theft, as they will now have a criminal record which could have an affect on their jobs.
If you left a £30,000 car unlocked by the side of the road and someone took it - would that not count as theft if they claimed "we thought somebody had lost it"._Deano said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/81664...
It seems that you can be arrested and even banged up (although it didn't happen here) for cashing in a Lotto ticket that you find on the floor.
Personally i think that it's a bit unfair that they (the couple that found the ticket) have been charged with theft, as they will now have a criminal record which could have an affect on their jobs.
I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
Seems to me it's not a crime which would occur particularly often or be that easy to prove it occurred-the woman who lost her ticket was fortunate that she still had a reciept to prove purchae- so I'm not sure the police would be using it to rack up the numbers.It seems that you can be arrested and even banged up (although it didn't happen here) for cashing in a Lotto ticket that you find on the floor.
Personally i think that it's a bit unfair that they (the couple that found the ticket) have been charged with theft, as they will now have a criminal record which could have an affect on their jobs.
I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
Anyway finding something in the street does not make it yours, it still belongs to the owner, and taking it is still theft. The legal thing to do is to hand it into the police, or leave it where it is.
Famous Graham said:
A lottery ticket costs 1 pound, not 30k. And there's no identifying wossnames to indicate who bought it.
You dont have to have you name stamped on something or a proof of ownership certificate for something to belong to you.The lottery ticket may have only cost £1 - but it was worth £30,000. Also the cost is irrelevent - is it ok to steal something just because it only costs a quid?
Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 24th July 12:31
_Deano said:
Personally i think that it's a bit unfair that they (the couple that found the ticket) have been charged with theft, as they will now have a criminal record which could have an affect on their jobs.
I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
I don't think it's unfair, they made no attempt to hand it in to find it's rightful owner. If you find a bag full of cash in the street, would you walk off with it, or hand it in? What about a wallet with no ID in it? It's really no different.I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
One problem with this country is people are far too dishonest when it comes to things like this. If you lose something you're almost guaranteed never to see it again because of people like these cretins.
Moonhawk said:
_Deano said:
Personally i think that it's a bit unfair that they (the couple that found the ticket) have been charged with theft, as they will now have a criminal record which could have an affect on their jobs.
If you left a £30,000 car unlocked by the side of the road and someone took it - would that not count as theft if they claimed "we thought somebody had lost it".The same would go for the ticket, it they could prove that the ticket was abandon (maybe found in a bin), then i'm sure you could claim it as your own (correct me if i'm wrong though, which i might be)
Neil_H said:
_Deano said:
Personally i think that it's a bit unfair that they (the couple that found the ticket) have been charged with theft, as they will now have a criminal record which could have an affect on their jobs.
I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
I don't think it's unfair, they made no attempt to hand it in to find it's rightful owner. If you find a bag full of cash in the street, would you walk off with it, or hand it in? What about a wallet with no ID in it? It's really no different.I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
One problem with this country is people are far too dishonest when it comes to things like this. If you lose something you're almost guaranteed never to see it again because of people like these cretins.
Theft Act Section 2(1)
A person’s appropriation of property belonging to another is not to be regarded as dishonest...
(c) if he appropriates the property in the belief that the person to whom the property belongs cannot be discovered by taking reasonable steps.
If you picked up a lottery ticket, would you actually think the owner could be found? Hold up a winning ticket and say "Who lost this" and 50000 people will come running over - it'd be the same with a £50 note.
They would not be convicted for theft, however, the fact that the lottery has specific rules in place for finding a ticket which they did not follow does open up liability for other crimes.
Edited by LOGiK on Friday 24th July 12:54
Anyone careless enough to lose a £30k lotto ticket deserves to be parted form it. £30k would change my life beyond recognition so to see someone else treat something that would be such a big deal to me with such little respect is, frankly, insulting. It disappoints me that they're getting half of the prize money.
LOGiK said:
Neil_H said:
_Deano said:
Personally i think that it's a bit unfair that they (the couple that found the ticket) have been charged with theft, as they will now have a criminal record which could have an affect on their jobs.
I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
I don't think it's unfair, they made no attempt to hand it in to find it's rightful owner. If you find a bag full of cash in the street, would you walk off with it, or hand it in? What about a wallet with no ID in it? It's really no different.I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
One problem with this country is people are far too dishonest when it comes to things like this. If you lose something you're almost guaranteed never to see it again because of people like these cretins.
Theft Act Section 2(1)(c) if he appropriates the property in the belief that the person to whom the property belongs cannot be discovered by taking reasonable steps.
If you picked up a lottery ticket, would you actually think the owner could be found? Hold up a winning ticket and say "Who lost this" and 50000 people will come running over - it'd be the same with a £50 note.
They would not be convicted for theft, however, the fact that the lottery has specific rules in place for finding a ticket which they did not follow does open up liability for other crimes.
How about having to pay back the £15,111.
Ok so they spent money that they knew didn't belong to them and they managed to pay off debt, but they are now in a worse situation as they will have to find another £15K to give back to the winner.
So (in the worst case)if they loose their home(it may come to that) because they can't get a loan, is that toughluck to them?
MitchT said:
Anyone careless enough to lose a £30k lotto ticket deserves to be parted form it. £30k would change my life beyond recognition so to see someone else treat something that would be such a big deal to me with such little respect is, frankly, insulting. It disappoints me that they're getting half of the prize money.
The person that lost the ticket is getting the full amount back, plus £111 as interest. The finders have been ordered to pay it back.
_Deano said:
That being fraud.
How about having to pay back the £15,111.
Ok so they spent money that they knew didn't belong to them and they managed to pay off debt, but they are now in a worse situation as they will have to find another £15K to give back to the winner.
So (in the worst case)if they loose their home(it may come to that) because they can't get a loan, is that toughluck to them?
Yes, you can't have a society in which rules designed to protect people and uphold decency aren't followed. I'd also like to know exactly what they spent so much money on so quickly. Just as a point, they rushed about and spent loads of money while knowing it was obtained in an unusual manner. If I found a lottery ticket and did that and had won (not that I would - I'd follow the rules) then I'd keep the money in my bank until I was certain nobody else was going to come along and claim it. Not spend as much as I could as quickly as I could.How about having to pay back the £15,111.
Ok so they spent money that they knew didn't belong to them and they managed to pay off debt, but they are now in a worse situation as they will have to find another £15K to give back to the winner.
So (in the worst case)if they loose their home(it may come to that) because they can't get a loan, is that toughluck to them?
LOGiK said:
_Deano said:
That being fraud.
How about having to pay back the £15,111.
Ok so they spent money that they knew didn't belong to them and they managed to pay off debt, but they are now in a worse situation as they will have to find another £15K to give back to the winner.
So (in the worst case)if they loose their home(it may come to that) because they can't get a loan, is that toughluck to them?
Yes, you can't have a society in which rules designed to protect people and uphold decency aren't followed. I'd also like to know exactly what they spent so much money on so quickly. Just as a point, they rushed about and spent loads of money while knowing it was obtained in an unusual manner. If I found a lottery ticket and did that and had won (not that I would - I'd follow the rules) then I'd keep the money in my bank until I was certain nobody else was going to come along and claim it. Not spend as much as I could as quickly as I could.How about having to pay back the £15,111.
Ok so they spent money that they knew didn't belong to them and they managed to pay off debt, but they are now in a worse situation as they will have to find another £15K to give back to the winner.
So (in the worst case)if they loose their home(it may come to that) because they can't get a loan, is that toughluck to them?
Unlucky them. They thought they had a huge lucky break in finding it, turned out to be the opposite. Most people losing a lottery ticket wouldnt know it was a winner. This old woman did though.
LOGiK said:
Neil_H said:
_Deano said:
Personally i think that it's a bit unfair that they (the couple that found the ticket) have been charged with theft, as they will now have a criminal record which could have an affect on their jobs.
I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
I don't think it's unfair, they made no attempt to hand it in to find it's rightful owner. If you find a bag full of cash in the street, would you walk off with it, or hand it in? What about a wallet with no ID in it? It's really no different.I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
One problem with this country is people are far too dishonest when it comes to things like this. If you lose something you're almost guaranteed never to see it again because of people like these cretins.
Theft Act Section 2(1)
A person’s appropriation of property belonging to another is not to be regarded as dishonest...
(c) if he appropriates the property in the belief that the person to whom the property belongs cannot be discovered by taking reasonable steps.
If you picked up a lottery ticket, would you actually think the owner could be found? Hold up a winning ticket and say "Who lost this" and 50000 people will come running over - it'd be the same with a £50 note.
They would not be convicted for theft, however, the fact that the lottery has specific rules in place for finding a ticket which they did not follow does open up liability for other crimes.
Edited by LOGiK on Friday 24th July 12:54
I'm pretty sure this would fall under 'obtaining money by deception' which would be why they were charged with fraud. If I found a Lotto ticket, I wouldn't hold it up and ask who lost it, I'd hand it in to Camelot. You're then in line for the prize if it goes unclaimed.
Neil_H said:
LOGiK said:
Neil_H said:
_Deano said:
Personally i think that it's a bit unfair that they (the couple that found the ticket) have been charged with theft, as they will now have a criminal record which could have an affect on their jobs.
I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
I don't think it's unfair, they made no attempt to hand it in to find it's rightful owner. If you find a bag full of cash in the street, would you walk off with it, or hand it in? What about a wallet with no ID in it? It's really no different.I guess it's the easy way the Police can rack up their numbers for processed prosecution (if that's how it works)
One problem with this country is people are far too dishonest when it comes to things like this. If you lose something you're almost guaranteed never to see it again because of people like these cretins.
Theft Act Section 2(1)
A person’s appropriation of property belonging to another is not to be regarded as dishonest...
(c) if he appropriates the property in the belief that the person to whom the property belongs cannot be discovered by taking reasonable steps.
If you picked up a lottery ticket, would you actually think the owner could be found? Hold up a winning ticket and say "Who lost this" and 50000 people will come running over - it'd be the same with a £50 note.
They would not be convicted for theft, however, the fact that the lottery has specific rules in place for finding a ticket which they did not follow does open up liability for other crimes.
Edited by LOGiK on Friday 24th July 12:54
I'm pretty sure this would fall under 'obtaining money by deception' which would be why they were charged with fraud. If I found a Lotto ticket, I wouldn't hold it up and ask who lost it, I'd hand it in to Camelot. You may then be in line for the prize if it goes unclaimed.
BoRED S2upid said:
How could she prove it was hers?. If I bought a ticket and lost it I dont see how I could possibly prove I had bought it.
That's what I'm still interested to learn. (see my post @ 12:49)Do the tickets still have that name and address bit on the rear and has anyone ever filled that in?
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