Children's authors & illustrators boycott school visits
Discussion
Yet another wee warmer for you all, courtesty of the government.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8153251.stm
Guilty until proven innocent? Seems to. Yet another way of getting more money from people? My inner cynic says 'yes'. An insult to these inspiring people...?
I remember a couple of authors coming to visit our school when I was little. It was quite awesome to be in the presence of someone whose books I had read and they even did a little workshop to teach us how to get our ideas down better. To think that now these people will have to pay to prove they are 'safe' with kids and that in itself will stop them visiting schools now is really sad.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8153251.stm
Guilty until proven innocent? Seems to. Yet another way of getting more money from people? My inner cynic says 'yes'. An insult to these inspiring people...?
I remember a couple of authors coming to visit our school when I was little. It was quite awesome to be in the presence of someone whose books I had read and they even did a little workshop to teach us how to get our ideas down better. To think that now these people will have to pay to prove they are 'safe' with kids and that in itself will stop them visiting schools now is really sad.
Agreed and both adults and children are the losers.
The kids lose out because of contact with what may well be inspirational people, and the adults lose out because of the inspiration they get from all these fresh pairs of eyes and minds.
As the author on Today said, "Child abuse does not happen ina room with 30/200 kids with teachers watching."
A lot of this is because some very unpleasant families did not look after their kids properly like 99.999% of the poulation do. Add in that the powers that be in those cases screwed up so badly it's beyond a normal person's comprehension. result equals children now being led to believe that any adult is a predator.
Well done folks.
The kids lose out because of contact with what may well be inspirational people, and the adults lose out because of the inspiration they get from all these fresh pairs of eyes and minds.
As the author on Today said, "Child abuse does not happen ina room with 30/200 kids with teachers watching."
A lot of this is because some very unpleasant families did not look after their kids properly like 99.999% of the poulation do. Add in that the powers that be in those cases screwed up so badly it's beyond a normal person's comprehension. result equals children now being led to believe that any adult is a predator.
Well done folks.
BBC said:
The Home Office says various new regulations will have meant that more than five million more jobs and voluntary posts - including most NHS positions - will be subject to checks.
It's just not the whole unsavoury "we think you are untrustworthy until we prove otherwise" big brother aspect that stinks it's the additional pathetic cost required that is unbelievable. So it's a government run scheme, well we pay for the government to work by paying taxes so what taxes have been set aside to cover the cost of this pointless operation of vetting? None it would seem, it's yet another stealth tax. Although the authors and illustrators refused to pay their jobs do not depend on being vetted for £64 (no doubt renewed at regular intervals). However the talk above of other public service people in the NHS who's jobs do depending on contact and who will have to pay to continue in their jobs that is the most worrying. It will spread to other areas as well, racking up thousands of £64 contributions for Labour's debt crisis from people who cannot afford to not pay to continue in their jobs.
I'm sure the Labour government has in it's employment departments purely there to find new ways of generating taxes by wrapping them up in schemes and projects that failure to pay will result in job losses, it's just a form of blackmail, hardly the government of the people.
FourWheelDrift said:
BBC said:
The Home Office says various new regulations will have meant that more than five million more jobs and voluntary posts - including most NHS positions - will be subject to checks.
It's just not the whole unsavoury "we think you are untrustworthy until we prove otherwise" big brother aspect that stinks it's the additional pathetic cost required that is unbelievable. So it's a government run scheme, well we pay for the government to work by paying taxes so what taxes have been set aside to cover the cost of this pointless operation of vetting? None it would seem, it's yet another stealth tax. Although the authors and illustrators refused to pay their jobs do not depend on being vetted for £64 (no doubt renewed at regular intervals). However the talk above of other public service people in the NHS who's jobs do depending on contact and who will have to pay to continue in their jobs that is the most worrying. It will spread to other areas as well, racking up thousands of £64 contributions for Labour's debt crisis from people who cannot afford to not pay to continue in their jobs.
I'm sure the Labour government has in it's employment departments purely there to find new ways of generating taxes by wrapping them up in schemes and projects that failure to pay will result in job losses, it's just a form of blackmail, hardly the government of the people.
loltolhurst said:
well done to the authors for making a stand soon no child will ba allowed near a bloke for the first 16 years of their life ffs.
Earlier this week the Govt had to launch a recruitment campaign for male teachers for primary schools; it's currently massively biased towards female teachers.Allanv said:
Job losses that will result in more people on the dole, leading to more stupid schemes to pay for them.
Exactly!!I've been screaming for a while, but this is just incompetant management/governing of the highest degree! They are way out of their depth, and are dragging the country down with them.
It is literally getting worse by the day, and the sooner we can have a change at the helm the better! Anyone could do a better job than the current lot!
V8mate said:
loltolhurst said:
well done to the authors for making a stand soon no child will ba allowed near a bloke for the first 16 years of their life ffs.
Earlier this week the Govt had to launch a recruitment campaign for male teachers for primary schools; it's currently massively biased towards female teachers.Men are leaving the profession a lot aren't bothering applying for the simple fact a male who enjoys teaching must be a paedo!
If I grabbed a random child who was running away in most countries I would get a thank you, merci, bitte schon, etc. I would be accuse of trying to abuse the child in the UK.
That sickens me. I enjoy spending time with kids, however now I have refrained from going back into the ATC as a CI due to the stigma and hassle.
elster said:
V8mate said:
loltolhurst said:
well done to the authors for making a stand soon no child will ba allowed near a bloke for the first 16 years of their life ffs.
Earlier this week the Govt had to launch a recruitment campaign for male teachers for primary schools; it's currently massively biased towards female teachers.Men are leaving the profession a lot aren't bothering applying for the simple fact a male who enjoys teaching must be a paedo!
If I grabbed a random child who was running away in most countries I would get a thank you, merci, bitte schon, etc. I would be accuse of trying to abuse the child in the UK.
That sickens me. I enjoy spending time with kids, however now I have refrained from going back into the ATC as a CI due to the stigma and hassle.
V8mate said:
elster said:
V8mate said:
loltolhurst said:
well done to the authors for making a stand soon no child will ba allowed near a bloke for the first 16 years of their life ffs.
Earlier this week the Govt had to launch a recruitment campaign for male teachers for primary schools; it's currently massively biased towards female teachers.Men are leaving the profession a lot aren't bothering applying for the simple fact a male who enjoys teaching must be a paedo!
If I grabbed a random child who was running away in most countries I would get a thank you, merci, bitte schon, etc. I would be accuse of trying to abuse the child in the UK.
That sickens me. I enjoy spending time with kids, however now I have refrained from going back into the ATC as a CI due to the stigma and hassle.
It is a shame, it will create a generation of socially inept youngsters.
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Here's a tough one for PH then;
How do we go about solving the this problem?
How do we get back to the good old days of common sense?
well firstly we need someone in power with enough balls (and indeed, common sense) to stand up and say a big "fHow do we go about solving the this problem?
How do we get back to the good old days of common sense?
k off" to all the Politically Correct in the country. Davi said:
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Here's a tough one for PH then;
How do we go about solving the this problem?
How do we get back to the good old days of common sense?
well firstly we need someone in power with enough balls (and indeed, common sense) to stand up and say a big "fHow do we go about solving the this problem?
How do we get back to the good old days of common sense?
k off" to all the Politically Correct in the country. When asked if he spanked his children he said "God no, I leave that to the wife".
How do we fix it all, I think a much stronger approach is needed.
Caught fiddling with kids, remove reproductive organs.
Caught fiddling benefits, remove benefits.
Essentially we need someone in charge who does not pander to all the dam do gooders who have zero grip on reality. I think a program of "empowerment" for such do gooders would be excellent, for example if someone thinks that smacking should be banned. Thank them for that idea and then place them in a young offenders institute for 6 weeks to try and implement what they think should be done on the front line. I think when faced with the reality of glossy idealism failing a lot of these people will soon have a shift of opinion.
Caught fiddling with kids, remove reproductive organs.
Caught fiddling benefits, remove benefits.
Essentially we need someone in charge who does not pander to all the dam do gooders who have zero grip on reality. I think a program of "empowerment" for such do gooders would be excellent, for example if someone thinks that smacking should be banned. Thank them for that idea and then place them in a young offenders institute for 6 weeks to try and implement what they think should be done on the front line. I think when faced with the reality of glossy idealism failing a lot of these people will soon have a shift of opinion.
Edited by eddie1980 on Thursday 16th July 15:23
HRG. said:
Davi said:
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Here's a tough one for PH then;
How do we go about solving the this problem?
How do we get back to the good old days of common sense?
well firstly we need someone in power with enough balls (and indeed, common sense) to stand up and say a big "fHow do we go about solving the this problem?
How do we get back to the good old days of common sense?
k off" to all the Politically Correct in the country. When asked if he spanked his children he said "God no, I leave that to the wife".
I'd like to think he could do it. I think we definately need someone who isn't affraid to upset a few people in order to benefit the vast majority! Someone who trusts the public a bit more than the current lot do.
I think it should also be someone with background experience with operating a business. How they can pretend to know what's best for businesses, when they have no idea how businesses are run, is beyond me!!
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