Marmite mayor.

[colonel c]

I think we need a few more politicians like this chap:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8116093.stm

Although I see he has had to bend over for the local Gay Pride committee.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire...

Edited by colonel c on Wednesday 1st July 22:22

[G_T]

No problem with his policy on not advocating funds to minority groups as long as he is consistent.

Banning political correctness however is the work of a ignorant moron. Stop it going too far, yes. But it cannot be logically argued that it's not a good thing to be sensitive to the needs of your constituents.

For example derogatory terms like "n*gger", "coloured" and "half-caste". Should remain confined to the depths of history. I don't think anyone who understands what political correctness is could really argue that it's not a good thing in many instances.

Edited by G_T on Wednesday 1st July 15:42

[elster]

G_T said:

No problem with his policy on not advocating funds to minority groups as long as he is consistent.

Banning political correctness however is the work of a ignorant moron. Stop it going too far, yes. But it cannot be logically argued that it's not a good thing to be sensitive to the needs of your constituents.

For example derogatory terms like "n*gger", "coloured" and "half-caste". Should remain confined to the depths of history. I don't think anyone who understands what political correctness is could really argue that it's not a good thing in many instances.

Edited by G_T on Wednesday 1st July 15:42

They aren't really words involved in the political correctness lobby.

I see the Gay Pride event don't have a problem with losing the funding if it doesn't come next year

BBC News said:

"With or without council funding, the Pride event will take place," she said.

"If we don't get the funding next year, we will look to source it from elsewhere. We are here to stay."

[Pesty]

"If we don't get the funding next year, we will look to source it from elsewhere. We are here to stay."

The Gay Pride event, which attracts up to 8,000 people, takes place on 16 August. "

so if you can get funding from elswhere do it stop taking my council tax.

8 thousand people in the march eh? nobody I know even knew there was a gay pride march here. When a thread about this appeared in the news section no other donny PHers knew about it either.

[elster]

Pesty said:

"If we don't get the funding next year, we will look to source it from elsewhere. We are here to stay."

The Gay Pride event, which attracts up to 8,000 people, takes place on 16 August. "

so if you can get funding from elswhere do it stop taking my council tax.

8 thousand people in the march eh? nobody I know even knew there was a gay pride march here. When a thread about this appeared in the news section no other donny PHers knew about it either.

I know gay people who live in Doncatraz who don't even know this exists.

[mattviatura]

colonel c said:

Although I see he has had to bend over the the local Gay Pride committee.

You might want to read this again.

[DJC]

G_T said:

No problem with his policy on not advocating funds to minority groups as long as he is consistent.

Banning political correctness however is the work of a ignorant moron. Stop it going too far, yes. But it cannot be logically argued that it's not a good thing to be sensitive to the needs of your constituents.

For example derogatory terms like "n*gger", "coloured" and "half-caste". Should remain confined to the depths of history. I don't think anyone who understands what political correctness is could really argue that it's not a good thing in many instances.

Edited by G_T on Wednesday 1st July 15:42

You are obviously more upto date on this stuff than I am, so what has replaced half-caste? I didnt even known half-caste was on the "bad" list or that there had been an uproar about the term! I will accept this could be because I havent heard many/any people actually use it.

And didnt "coloured" replace "black" as the acceptable word?

You know sometimes I dont know how I get by in life not knowing this stuff.

[elster]

DJC said:

You are obviously more upto date on this stuff than I am, so what has replaced half-caste? I didnt even known half-caste was on the "bad" list or that there had been an uproar about the term! I will accept this could be because I havent heard many/any people actually use it.

And didnt "coloured" replace "black" as the acceptable word?

You know sometimes I dont know how I get by in life not knowing this stuff.

No I think Black is acceptable this week. Black, white and well I don't know what you are allowed to say for the colour of someones skin for asians.

[G_T]

DJC said:

You are obviously more upto date on this stuff than I am, so what has replaced half-caste? I didnt even known half-caste was on the "bad" list or that there had been an uproar about the term! I will accept this could be because I havent heard many/any people actually use it.

And didnt "coloured" replace "black" as the acceptable word?

You know sometimes I dont know how I get by in life not knowing this stuff.

"Half-caste" is a derogatory term used to describe someone of mixed race. Don't know the history behind that one.

"Coloured" is a British colonial term used to describe the local non white populance. Again it's historical useage is derogatory.

Black is, of course, fine assuming the person you're referring to is actually black and you're not singling them out. I.e. you can describe them as black but if it bears no relevence to the context it can be seen as prejudice. Again this is subject to context.

Over time words change their meaning. Like the word "gay" for example. I have no doubt that you don't mean to be offensive, but non-the-less you are being so and worse still you will be grouped with the racists and biggots.

Ignorance is unavoidable. Defence of it is unforgiveable.

[G_T]

elster said:

No I think Black is acceptable this week. Black, white and well I don't know what you are allowed to say for the colour of someones skin for asians.

It's quite straight forward. Stick to the facts and you'll be fine. "Brown" or "tanned". Shouldn't cause any offence.

[cazzer]

I call my asian wife "My Little Yellow Peril" if that helps
Although she's japanese and therefore actually asian as opposed to a politically correctly named pakistani.

[elster]

G_T said:

elster said:

No I think Black is acceptable this week. Black, white and well I don't know what you are allowed to say for the colour of someones skin for asians.

It's quite straight forward. Stick to the facts and you'll be fine. "Brown" or "tanned". Shouldn't cause any offence.

Believe me it has done with ultra PC people I have met.

[AndrewW-G]

G_T said:

elster said:

No I think Black is acceptable this week. Black, white and well I don't know what you are allowed to say for the colour of someones skin for asians.

It's quite straight forward. Stick to the facts and you'll be fine. "Brown" or "tanned". Shouldn't cause any offence.

You'd be suprised, I was at a meeting with Liverpool councils social services a few years ago and was stunned by the abuse somebody got when he walked into a room comprised entirely of women and said "good morning lady's" these people didnt think it was acceptable to call them anything that grouped them by gender / ethnicity / genetics!

[Police State]

G_T said:

DJC said:

You are obviously more upto date on this stuff than I am, so what has replaced half-caste? I didnt even known half-caste was on the "bad" list or that there had been an uproar about the term! I will accept this could be because I havent heard many/any people actually use it.

And didnt "coloured" replace "black" as the acceptable word?

You know sometimes I dont know how I get by in life not knowing this stuff.

"Half-caste" is a derogatory term used to describe someone of mixed race. Don't know the history behind that one.

"Coloured" is a British colonial term used to describe the local non white populance. Again it's historical useage is derogatory.

Black is, of course, fine assuming the person you're referring to is actually black and you're not singling them out. I.e. you can describe them as black but if it bears no relevence to the context it can be seen as prejudice. Again this is subject to context.

Over time words change their meaning. Like the word "gay" for example. I have no doubt that you don't mean to be offensive, but non-the-less you are being so and worse still you will be grouped with the racists and biggots.

Ignorance is unavoidable. Defence of it is unforgiveable.

is 'Poof' or 'Queer' ok with you when referring to homosexuals? It's shorthand, and less of a tounge twister (no pun intended) to say.

[G_T]

Police State said:

is 'Poof' or 'Queer' ok with you when referring to homosexuals? It's shorthand, and less of a tounge twister (no pun intended) to say.

I'm not really up on the homosexual ones. I would imagine that they're not really acceptable as it is typically used as an insult. How often have you ever heard someone called a "poof" or "queer" in an endearing way?

But the same goes for anything else. If the person is comfortable with being called whatever, and you're sure they are. Then you can call them whatever you're both comfortable with. You just have to be wary of who might be listening.

It's like Prince Charles and his mate "Sooty". That was between two people. IMO there was nothing wrong with that, but he should of been more wary of his audience. He committed no crime and, aside from the newspapers talking bks, it was decidely fine.

I see no reason to be offended by calling someone by the colour of their skin if it's relevent. If it's not relevent i.e. "That brown guy in work said X to Y", then it really does raise a lot of questions about your attitude towards minorities.

I think the bottom line is that in addition to your right to speak your mind, you also have a right to be offended. As social creatures we should seek to minimise offence caused to others. That's the whole point of being PC.

It's not to say that because you use the term "half-caste" that you're the next Hitler. But it does show an ignorance and lack of empathy for other members of our society. Look at Prince Phillip, he's ridiculously un PC but there's few calls to see him strung up over it...

People are frightened of Political correctness because it has been used by rags like the Daily Mail to propagate fear and misunderstood by beurucratic morons like the police. In reality it only exists to try to make us more curtious of one another. I for one find it tragic that people don't understand this and live in fear of it.

[obob]

cazzer said:

I call my asian wife "My Little Yellow Peril" if that helps
Although she's japanese and therefore actually asian as opposed to a politically correctly named pakistani.

Is pakistan not in Asia?

[DJC]

G T...im going to help you out a bit as it seems you are either dense or my piss taking was too subtle for you.

Half-caste is not a derogatory term these days on the grounds that it is hardly used. Nobody uses the phrases, in short in modern usage in this country it has pretty much died out in common usage. That was my subtle pissing taking point.

As for calling Asian people tanned? Yeah, good luck with that one, but Im afraid I dont care enough about you to vist you in hospital after the beating you get when you call some Asians "tanned". The collection of Asian, coloured, black and white lads in my office did just have a good laugh though when I showed them your comment. Ta

[G_T]

DJC said:

G T...im going to help you out a bit as it seems you are either dense or my piss taking was too subtle for you.

Half-caste is not a derogatory term these days on the grounds that it is hardly used. Nobody uses the phrases, in short in modern usage in this country it has pretty much died out in common usage. That was my subtle pissing taking point.

As for calling Asian people tanned? Yeah, good luck with that one, but Im afraid I dont care enough about you to vist you in hospital after the beating you get when you call some Asians "tanned". The collection of Asian, coloured, black and white lads in my office did just have a good laugh though when I showed them your comment. Ta

I understood your sarcasm. But I thought, in order to continue my defence of political correctness, I would ignore it.

I find it fortunate that in your experience you have not been exposed to the term "half-caste". But I assure you it is still used, albeit by an increasingly slim minority. That does not mean it's still PC though.

If I have shown ignorance at the term "tanned" then fair enough. But I hardly think it makes me stupid.

I'm also glad my comments, in defence of something that I believe in, amused you and your presumably dim-witted, multicultural colleagues.

[grumbledoak]

This has got to be a piss-take, surely?

Political Correctness is a term used because "Thought crime" was too obvious a reference.

[Davi]

G_T said:

I find it fortunate that in your experience you have not been exposed to the term "half-caste". But I assure you it is still used, albeit by an increasingly slim minority. That does not mean it's still PC though.

If I have shown ignorance at the term "tanned" then fair enough. But I hardly think it makes me stupid.

I'm also glad my comments, in defence of something that I believe in, amused you and your presumably dim-witted, multicultural colleagues.

You're taking the piss, right? A mate who is a half-caste describes himself as half-caste, as does his mum, and as have several others I've known in the past! Are you of "mixed race" or are you just taking offence on their behalf, as is usually the case in political correctness?