ID cards latest, a u-turn or not?
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Couldn't find a good old thread so:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090630/tuk-id-cards-...
What's going on here?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090630/tuk-id-cards-...
What's going on here?
A complete U-Turn if ever I saw one - they can't even get the airport workers to stump up for one.
Another colossal waste of money foisted upon us in the name of 'national security'. Hopefully cameron will use this in PMQ's tomorrow, it's nothing short of a scandal - what's been delivered, how much has been paid and to whom?
Another colossal waste of money foisted upon us in the name of 'national security'. Hopefully cameron will use this in PMQ's tomorrow, it's nothing short of a scandal - what's been delivered, how much has been paid and to whom?
loltolhurst said:
so they want us to have id cards to stop terrorism.
but its voluntary
Mr Terrorist do you want to sign up for an id card
No
At which point anyone declining an ID card is a terrorist suspect, their NIR entry is immediately flagged and they get ANPR'd every three seconds whilst going about their pefectly legitimate business. Brave new world.but its voluntary
Mr Terrorist do you want to sign up for an id card
No
Edited by loltolhurst on Tuesday 30th June 18:27
There's a vile poster on the Tube showing a picture of a high street and some CCTV cameras with words to the effect of "Last week, a bomb didn't go off here because a camera operator noticed someone acting suspiciously". That chills me to the bone.
Why can't they just admit it was a bad idea.
What annoys me is if they go ahead with this they're still going to have to implement the whole ID card infrastructure at a cost of ££billions. £5.4billion in 2007. Does anyone have recent figures? What an utter waste of money.
They've already invested £20million in the scheme before it's even been started. (that's half a royal family that is!
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A voluntary card that will cost each individual £30 for the pleasure. I read today that 3500 people had already signed up!!
Makes it all seem worthwhile doesn't it?
What annoys me is if they go ahead with this they're still going to have to implement the whole ID card infrastructure at a cost of ££billions. £5.4billion in 2007. Does anyone have recent figures? What an utter waste of money.
They've already invested £20million in the scheme before it's even been started. (that's half a royal family that is!
)A voluntary card that will cost each individual £30 for the pleasure. I read today that 3500 people had already signed up!!
Makes it all seem worthwhile doesn't it?
Clearly seems like a pointless exercise now, make it voluntary and for migrant workers. Hardly justifies the expense, and the whole thing should be s
t canned.
However I reckon the mistake you're making is not recognising the long game. Having discovered its currently a vote loser. Put the infastructure in place to have id cards, and then wait for current events to provide the fertile soil upon which the imposition of id cards can later be pushed through, with the acquiescence, of the general populace.
Just need to wait for a major terror atrocity in the UK and they'll try again (Labour & probably Tories).
t canned.However I reckon the mistake you're making is not recognising the long game. Having discovered its currently a vote loser. Put the infastructure in place to have id cards, and then wait for current events to provide the fertile soil upon which the imposition of id cards can later be pushed through, with the acquiescence, of the general populace.
Just need to wait for a major terror atrocity in the UK and they'll try again (Labour & probably Tories).
Edited by Northern Munkee on Tuesday 30th June 22:16
The perpetrators of both 9/11 and the Madrid train bombings held valid ID cards for the countries where they murdered the foreign 'infidel'.
That fact alone destroys this incompetent government's argument for them.
At least that great champion of Nazi style ID, Jackie Smith, is no longer home secretary.. and I for one am happy that I am not now contributing to her husband's porn collection or her sister's 2 up-2 down.
That fact alone destroys this incompetent government's argument for them.
At least that great champion of Nazi style ID, Jackie Smith, is no longer home secretary.. and I for one am happy that I am not now contributing to her husband's porn collection or her sister's 2 up-2 down.
[/google mode off]No change, this announcement is nothing but spin.
The card has always been voluntary, at least without further legislation. Registration on the National Identity Register, which is the truely dangerous part, will remain compulsory if you want a passport, or any other document they choose to designate.
Just an attempt to appear to be listening, without actually changing anything. It is the NIR database which is the problem, not a plastic card. That is merely a symbol.
The card has always been voluntary, at least without further legislation. Registration on the National Identity Register, which is the truely dangerous part, will remain compulsory if you want a passport, or any other document they choose to designate.
Just an attempt to appear to be listening, without actually changing anything. It is the NIR database which is the problem, not a plastic card. That is merely a symbol.
loltolhurst said:
So they want us to have id cards to stop terrorism, but it's voluntary.
"Mr Terrorist do you want to sign up for an id card?"
"Yes, please, then I can continue with my dastardly plans, and you can use my id. card to identify my remains while I enjoy myself in paradise."
(Edited for accuracy.)"Mr Terrorist do you want to sign up for an id card?"
"Yes, please, then I can continue with my dastardly plans, and you can use my id. card to identify my remains while I enjoy myself in paradise."
Edited by gareth_r on Wednesday 1st July 00:29
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