What Industries have the unions killed off ?

[jesusbuiltmycar]

Following on from this thread
What Industries have politicians killed off ?

Which industries were killed as a result of industrial action?

British Leyland?
Coal Mining?

[hugo a gogo]

do you not even remember why the miners were striking?

the government wanted to shut the pits, the miners didn't want them to shut

and for that you say they 'killed the industry'?

brilliant "we have always been at war with Oceania!"

[grumbledoak]

I think the unions have had a good stab at quite a few of our industries, though you've mentioned the most obvious two.

[esselte]

hugo a gogo said:

do you not even remember why the miners were striking?

'cos Arthur told them to...?

[Eric Mc]

They didn't have much to lose. The pits were going to shut anyawy.

Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 29th June 14:04

[Mark Benson]

hugo a gogo said:

do you not even remember why the miners were striking?

Scargill's vanity and Thatcher's intransigence. In differing proportions depending on time.

[hugo a gogo]

I think it is extremely dim to imagine that Scargill was such a Svengali that it was all created simply by his vanity

but then, we've had 30 years of propaganda aimed at demonising him in order to cloud the real issues

[AndrewW-G]

hugo a gogo said:

I think it is extremely dim to imagine that Scargill was such a Svengali that it was all created simply by his vanity

but then, we've had 30 years of propaganda aimed at demonising him in order to cloud the real issues

which is of course that some of the pits were not profitable and therefore needed to shut whilst others needed to employ more modern production techniques ...................... whilst they were striking over closures the rest of the mines fell into disrepair and were then also shut

[jesusbuiltmycar]

hugo a gogo said:

do you not even remember why the miners were striking?

the government wanted to shut the pits, the miners didn't want them to shut

and for that you say they 'killed the industry'?

brilliant "we have always been at war with Oceania!"

From what I remember it was an attempt by Trade Unionists to bring down a democratically elected governement, something they had managed to do previously (1974 IIRC)...

Edited by jesusbuiltmycar on Monday 29th June 14:47

[esselte]

AndrewW-G said:

...................... whilst they were striking over closures the rest of the mines fell into disrepair and were then also shut

Not true I think...as I recall maintenance teams were allowed in by the unions to prevent this happening....not all mineworkers were in the NUM...

[hugo a gogo]

mines were put up for closure before reports had even been made about whether or not they could be profitable

not to mention the short sighted view that "coal from abroad is cheaper" so why would britain need its own supplies?

[hugo a gogo]

jesusbuiltmycar said:

hugo a gogo said:

do you not even remember why the miners were striking?

the government wanted to shut the pits, the miners didn't want them to shut

and for that you say they 'killed the industry'?

brilliant "we have always been at war with Oceania!"

From what I remember it was an attempt by Trade Unionists to bring down a democratically elected governement, something they had managed to do previously (1974 IIRC)...

Edited by jesusbuiltmycar on Monday 29th June 14:47

right.....

look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridley_Plan

the government had as much to do with bringing about the strike as, if not more than, the NUM

Edited by hugo a gogo on Monday 29th June 14:50

[esselte]

hugo a gogo said:

jesusbuiltmycar said:

hugo a gogo said:

do you not even remember why the miners were striking?

the government wanted to shut the pits, the miners didn't want them to shut

and for that you say they 'killed the industry'?

brilliant "we have always been at war with Oceania!"

From what I remember it was an attempt by Trade Unionists to bring down a democratically elected governement, something they had managed to do previously (1974 IIRC)...

Edited by jesusbuiltmycar on Monday 29th June 14:47

right.....

So you don't think that that is true in the slightest...?

[hugo a gogo]

esselte said:

hugo a gogo said:

jesusbuiltmycar said:

hugo a gogo said:

do you not even remember why the miners were striking?

the government wanted to shut the pits, the miners didn't want them to shut

and for that you say they 'killed the industry'?

brilliant "we have always been at war with Oceania!"

From what I remember it was an attempt by Trade Unionists to bring down a democratically elected governement, something they had managed to do previously (1974 IIRC)...

Edited by jesusbuiltmycar on Monday 29th June 14:47

right.....

So you don't think that that is true in the slightest...?

no

[esselte]

hugo a gogo said:

esselte said:

hugo a gogo said:

jesusbuiltmycar said:

hugo a gogo said:

do you not even remember why the miners were striking?

the government wanted to shut the pits, the miners didn't want them to shut

and for that you say they 'killed the industry'?

brilliant "we have always been at war with Oceania!"

From what I remember it was an attempt by Trade Unionists to bring down a democratically elected governement, something they had managed to do previously (1974 IIRC)...

Edited by jesusbuiltmycar on Monday 29th June 14:47

right.....

So you don't think that that is true in the slightest...?

no

From the Guardian last March...

"..In a speech last week Scargill accused Kinnock of "betraying" the miners by not offering more robust support. Scargill said: "If Kinnock had given his full support and called on workers to support the strike, as the party had done in 1981, Thatcher would have been out of office in my view in a year ... Neil Kinnock, by his failure to call on workers to not cross picket lines, betrayed the miners......"

Seems Arthur thought differently..

[hugo a gogo]

once thatcher and the Government had shown that they wanted to destroy the unions, it was clearly 'them or us' for the NUM

that doesn't mean they instigated the strike to bring down the tories

[esselte]

hugo a gogo said:

once thatcher and the Government had shown that they wanted to destroy the unions, it was clearly 'them or us' for the NUM

that doesn't mean they instigated the strike to bring down the tories

To quote yourself...right...

[hugo a gogo]

you honestly think the NUM and scargill started the whole thing in order to bring down the government? who started closing the pits then?

[BJWoods]

hugo a gogo said:

you honestly think the NUM and scargill started the whole thing in order to bring down the government? who started closing the pits then?

wel they had ALLREADY brought down previous governments.... don't ask about scargills russian connections (AT THE HEIGHT of the cold war)

Total traitor to the UK

B

[jesusbuiltmycar]

I think that The British Disease and Work to Rule killed off many manufacturing companies in the 1970s, but the car industry is the one I think suffered the most - who in their right mind would buy a british built car that had spent weeks sat outside in the rain, growing rust becasue the workers were on strike...

Did any of our European Counterparts suffer from industrial action on the same scale as us?