What Industries have politicians killed off ?
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The Hypno-Toad said:
Eric Mc said:
The aviation in dustry was killed off in 1965. Some will say that the seeds for its demise were sown as far back as 1957.
+1. Three little letters and a number. TSR2FourWheelDrift said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Eric Mc said:
The aviation in dustry was killed off in 1965. Some will say that the seeds for its demise were sown as far back as 1957.
+1. Three little letters and a number. TSR2FourWheelDrift said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Eric Mc said:
The aviation in dustry was killed off in 1965. Some will say that the seeds for its demise were sown as far back as 1957.
+1. Three little letters and a number. TSR21.) Giving all our research data on supersonic flight to the Americans at the end of the war including our data on the all flying tail.
2.) Cancelling development of the SR177 jet/rocket fighter. This would have been ideal as a point defence fighter for the Germans and they very keen on it but Duncan Sandys white paper cancelled the project and the Germans eventually bought Starfighters instead. And how many of those were sold round the world in the end?
3.) Cancelling the Fairy Delta project. Okay the information gathered was probably helpful towards Concorde and we did have the Lightning but 1132mph in level flight? In 1956? And just remind me again, how many Mirage IIIs (which seemed remarkably similar to the Delta) did the French sell?
4.) The Gnat Mk2 light fighter. How many Skyhawks & F5s did the Americans sell to developing nations?
5.) TSR2. nuff said. It was about 5000 Phantoms wasn't it?
6.) The P1154 Supersonic VSTOL
7.) The HS681 transport aircraft.
Not all of them would have been world beaters but some of them might have been.
Looking back down the years it is funny that the TSR was cancelled in favour of a much delayed and inferior American product that we then had to cancel in order to buy an even more inferior one. And its a remarkable coinciedence that at this time Lockheed was chucking massive bribes around German & Japanese politicans in order for them not only to purchase the Starfighter but to ignore its some times fatal flaws. We had a Labour government at the time the aircraft was cancelled but they wouldn't have taken any bribes would they? I mean c'mon, Labour politicans? Whiter than white.
The Minister of Defence at the time of the cancellation it would later transpire was a member of a secret organisation which help promotes American interests around the world. Denis Healey is so far the only British politican, past or present, who admits to being a memember of The Bilderburg Group. But this did not have any bearing on the cancellation of the TSR2 & the ripping up of a multi billion contract with the Aussies who went on to buy American F111s instead and you would be a fool and a communist to think so.
Okay eric, I know Mountbatten and his lust for Aircraft Carriers had a lot to do with it but this has always struck me as smelling of yesterdays fish. One day the truth will out.
Miles M52 anybody?
Also sabotaging attempts to sell the Lightning to the Luftwaffe. They bought the Starfighter instead, then when the German navy wanted the Buccaneer they were told they had to buy Starfighters because the Luftwaffe already had them.
Scrapping Britain's answer to the 707 (V1000 was it?) because 'nobody needs transatlantic jets and BOAC won't buy the 707 honest' then buying 707s for BOAC as soon as it was too late to revive the program.
Also sabotaging attempts to sell the Lightning to the Luftwaffe. They bought the Starfighter instead, then when the German navy wanted the Buccaneer they were told they had to buy Starfighters because the Luftwaffe already had them.
Scrapping Britain's answer to the 707 (V1000 was it?) because 'nobody needs transatlantic jets and BOAC won't buy the 707 honest' then buying 707s for BOAC as soon as it was too late to revive the program.
Not to mention Duncan Sandys' White Paper of 1957 - which more or less sealed the fate of so many of these projects.
The aviation industry were not always helpful to their own cause - with too many projects at times and some very old fashioned construction methods (although there was innovation as well). They also lacked marketing skills and production capability - so that when a design was successful (like the Viscount or the Canberra) the manufacturer really found it difficult to deliver finished aircraft on time.
The aviation industry were not always helpful to their own cause - with too many projects at times and some very old fashioned construction methods (although there was innovation as well). They also lacked marketing skills and production capability - so that when a design was successful (like the Viscount or the Canberra) the manufacturer really found it difficult to deliver finished aircraft on time.
One of the biggest travesties of all is actually the Chieftain Main Battle Tank's powerplant. Political meddling of the highest order, and finished the Chieftain and subsequent Challengers as export propositions. The Chieftain eventually came good from Mk.5 onwards, but by then it was too late.
However, there have been some success stories;
CVR(t) series AFVs.
Westland Lynx
Harrier
Ummm, ummm.... errr...
However, there have been some success stories;
CVR(t) series AFVs.
Westland Lynx
Harrier
Ummm, ummm.... errr...
The Hypno-Toad said:
Looking back down the years it is funny that the TSR was cancelled in favour of a much delayed and inferior American product that we then had to cancel in order to buy an even more inferior one.
They didn't just cancel the TSR2 though, did they? They insisted all parts and tools were physically destroyed, the designs and research notes were destroyed, to make sure that no subsequent government could ever bring it back to life. There was no way that was a financial decision, that was malicious. It's very hard to say that politicians actually killed off any industry. In most cases politicians only become invloved when an industry is either dying anyway or treading carefully through international politics.
I'd gues that they had a hand in not saving or helping (or backstabing) :
Farming
Cars
Aviation
They have however absolutely certainly killed off a lot of value and respect for:
Parliament
Education
Law
I'd gues that they had a hand in not saving or helping (or backstabing) :
Farming
Cars
Aviation
They have however absolutely certainly killed off a lot of value and respect for:
Parliament
Education
Law
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