The peasants are revolting....again

[jfm]

More unlawful strike action in response to CONTRACT workers having their contracts terminated.

Madness.

Could be a good opportunity to weed out some union militants across the board - lets hope TfL strike in sympathy so we can get a few more deadwoods.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/ind...

[odyssey2200]

The people are reacting in the only way they know how, to the treatment they are recieving.

This sort of st happens every time we have a labour government.

[elster]

How many more need to be sacked before they realise you are paid to do work?

If you do work you will get money, if you don't they will find someone who will. If all people in the UK are wanting to not work, they will import more workers. After all you can accept anyone from the EU straight away.

[nonegreen]

Of course Total is a French company and in their native land the sackings would be illegal. They obviously think its OK to treat us like st.

[elster]

nonegreen said:

Of course Total is a French company and in their native land the sackings would be illegal. They obviously think its OK to treat us like st.

No they expect the work to get done, which is why it is in the UK not France.

I don't think that is too much to ask for.

Obviously you do.

[ewenm]

nonegreen said:

Of course Total is a French company and in their native land the sackings would be illegal. They obviously think its OK to treat us like st.

Yes! Get them out of Britain! That will help the workers, definitely...


Contract workers having their contract terminated - isn't that the main reason you hire contract workers, so that if you need fewer workers you have some that are easy to let go? I'm a contract worker and have a 1 week notice period on this contract, it goes with the territory.

Edited by ewenm on Tuesday 23 June 10:39

[Invisible man]

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't these guys striking because they laid of 600 contractors whilst still hiring?

[elster]

ewenm said:

Contract workers having their contract terminated - isn't that the main reason you hire contract workers, so that if you need fewer workers you have some that are easy to let go? I'm a contract worker and have a 1 week notice period on this contract, it goes with the territory.

Asolutely. Join the club there for when I have been doing contract working. Although usually it is a call saying your not needed anymore no need to turn up and get paid for the rest of the week.

What has hiring more got to do with getting rid of the contract workers? That's fairly normal.

Also these people are getting paid as contract workers, they will be getting paid more than employees. This is due to the danger of losing your job at the drop of a hat. We're not talking minimum wage workers here.

Edited by elster on Tuesday 23 June 10:44

[Invisible man]

From Sky News:-

Paul Kenny, general secretary of the GMB union, said: "We understand that there seems to be a dispute about compulsory redundancies on the site while other workers are being recruited into similar type jobs.

"There are concerns that these workers may be being victimised for earlier industrial action and that these redundancies are in breach of the agreement that brought industrial peace to the site some months ago."

[Uncle Fester]

But wasn’t the original dispute over the employer bringing in cheap foreign labour and cutting employment for British workers? What have they to lose if they are to lose their jobs anyway?

There seems to be a double standard here. These forums usually contain howls of protest about the immigration problem. The government steadfastly refuse to acknowledge or act on the problem. Yet when a group of Englishmen stand up and do something about the problem, in the only way they can, this forum attacks them.

Certainly striking is undesirable, but what effective alternative do they have? The political process is a joke and the government a farce. If this French company were at home, French law would protect the French workers.

In this country, we lack any effective remedy for a government that refuses to hear the will of the people. The government puts down all effective dissent and permits only ineffectual dissent as a safety valve.

In France, they permit effective dissent and allow effective civil action. France has the historical precedent that when a government ignores the people too severely, the government goes to the guillotine. Mindful of this, they permit effective dissent to prevent the situation ever becoming so bad again.

[ewenm]

Uncle Fester said:

But wasn’t the original dispute over the employer bringing in cheap foreign labour and cutting employment for British workers? What have they to lose if they are to lose their jobs anyway?

There seems to be a double standard here. These forums usually contain howls of protest about the immigration problem. The government steadfastly refuse to acknowledge or act on the problem. Yet when a group of Englishmen stand up and do something about the problem, in the only way they can, this forum attacks them.

Fine, have a ballot, then go on strike. That's what the laws allow. If all the workers feel so strongly about it, it shouldn't be any problem for the ballot to be in favour of a strike.

[esselte]

Uncle Fester said:

There seems to be a double standard here. These forums usually contain howls of protest about the immigration problem.

I think you're wrong here..there are protests about immigrants who don't want to work coming here but people who want to work and are legal and paid properly aren't a problem....

[Uncle Fester]

esselte said:

Uncle Fester said:

There seems to be a double standard here. These forums usually contain howls of protest about the immigration problem.

I think you're wrong here..there are protests about immigrants who don't want to work coming here but people who want to work and are legal and paid properly aren't a problem....

They are if they exclude the indigenous population from work. The resulting unemployment has to be paid for out of our taxes.

The migrant workers extract money from the UK economy and send it back to their countries of origin. This damages the UK economy.

Although I would agree with you that maximum damage is caused by those who come here and scrounge off our benefit system. Then send our money out of our economy to support people abroad.

I’m not uncharitable, but in order to be charitable, we must be able to afford to be. The economy is wrecked. We must look to the future and rebuild it, not pursue policies that hamper the reconstruction.

[esselte]

Uncle Fester said:

esselte said:

Uncle Fester said:

There seems to be a double standard here. These forums usually contain howls of protest about the immigration problem.

I think you're wrong here..there are protests about immigrants who don't want to work coming here but people who want to work and are legal and paid properly aren't a problem....

They are if they exclude the indigenous population from work.

No one stops indigenous (whatever that is, I assume you mean people already living here?) people from applying for jobs.....

[ewenm]

Uncle Fester said:

esselte said:

Uncle Fester said:

There seems to be a double standard here. These forums usually contain howls of protest about the immigration problem.

I think you're wrong here..there are protests about immigrants who don't want to work coming here but people who want to work and are legal and paid properly aren't a problem....

They are if they exclude the indigenous population from work. The resulting unemployment has to be paid for out of our taxes.

The migrant workers extract money from the UK economy and send it back to their countries of origin. This damages the UK economy.

Once they've paid tax in the UK, paid rent in the UK, bought food in the UK, bought fuel in the UK, socialised in the UK, I guess any further disposable income may go abroad but a lot of it will remain in UK circulation.

[shakotan]

Invisible man said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't these guys striking because they laid of 600 contractors whilst still hiring?

You're wrong.

They SACKED 600 workers who went on an illegal strike and refused to return to work.

Can't say fairer than that!

[bobbylondonuk]

1. migrant workers pay tax just the same as uk workers
2. the migrant workers are all EU workers who have no restriction of movement/employment
3. the striking workers are all employees of a contracting company and not of the oil company directly!

[thinfourth2]

I get the distinct impression that unions believe all companies have a bottomless pit of money to give to the workers and if they fired all the management the workers would get twice the amount of money and everything would be great.

Might explain our current government

[pkitchen]

odyssey2200 said:

The people are reacting in the only way they know how, to the treatment they are recieving.

This sort of st happens every time we have a labour government.

What? All governments I would suggest...... sheesh.

[Invisible man]

shakotan said:

Invisible man said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't these guys striking because they laid of 600 contractors whilst still hiring?

You're wrong.

They SACKED 600 workers who went on an illegal strike and refused to return to work.

Can't say fairer than that!

cheers and those 600 went on a Wildcat strike because they were laying people off at the same time as they were hiring cheaper labour for similar roles?