EXODUS- should people with money leave the UK?

[artov60]

On the Silverstone GP thread I made a joke that Lewis Hamilton should not have a Union Jack on his helmet but should instead have a Swiss flag. I also queried if any British drivers had stayed in the UK and paid UK taxes once they started to earn some money.

The response seems to be “so what I would be off if I could afford it”.

Does anyone here think people who have been successful should stay and make a contribution to the country that gave them their breaks or that they should move to a tax haven and maximise their wealth as soon as possible?

[Einion Yrth]

If you don't tax the wealthy at punitive levels they'll probably hang around. That's the problem with 'tax 'em till the pips squeak', it's counter productive. Under a punitively redistributive tax system, as favoured by lefty scum everywhere, those of means will bugger off somewhere else and, quite frankly, who in their right mind could blame them.

[johnfm]

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> communist club forum is over there....

[elster]

I have no problem with rich paying more tax.

But why a higher percentage?!!

[artov60]

The communist comment is over my head I'm afraid?? If that is your bag- fill your boots.

Agree there should not need to be a higher percentage for higher earners. Do not agree with the very high earners who evade tax and pay less than someone on minimum wage by finding or creating loopholes. Must be a way of making a law so UK workers must pay at least 20% in tax regardless of any loophole- at least for anyone earning over £20k so as not to affect the very low paid.

[Pints]

So you're suggesting a "flat-rate" of tax for all above £20k? Can't say I have a problem with that.

[johnfm]

artov60 said:

The communist comment is over my head I'm afraid?? If that is your bag- fill your boots.

Agree there should not need to be a higher percentage for higher earners. Do not agree with the very high earners who evade tax and pay less than someone on minimum wage by finding or creating loopholes. Must be a way of making a law so UK workers must pay at least 20% in tax regardless of any loophole- at least for anyone earning over £20k so as not to affect the very low paid.

So, how do you class a travelling sportsman? What determines where a tennis player, golfer, racing driver etc pay tax?

Ultimately, if a worker/businessman is mobile to the point that they can base themselves wherever they want, what gives any government a right to some of their income?

[Oakey]

johnfm said:

artov60 said:

The communist comment is over my head I'm afraid?? If that is your bag- fill your boots.

Agree there should not need to be a higher percentage for higher earners. Do not agree with the very high earners who evade tax and pay less than someone on minimum wage by finding or creating loopholes. Must be a way of making a law so UK workers must pay at least 20% in tax regardless of any loophole- at least for anyone earning over £20k so as not to affect the very low paid.

So, how do you class a travelling sportsman? What determines where a tennis player, golfer, racing driver etc pay tax?

Ultimately, if a worker/businessman is mobile to the point that they can base themselves wherever they want, what gives any government a right to some of their income?

I guess it depends on which country they want to be a citizen of and have a passport for, doesn't it?

[artov60]

johnfm said:

artov60 said:

The communist comment is over my head I'm afraid?? If that is your bag- fill your boots.

Agree there should not need to be a higher percentage for higher earners. Do not agree with the very high earners who evade tax and pay less than someone on minimum wage by finding or creating loopholes. Must be a way of making a law so UK workers must pay at least 20% in tax regardless of any loophole- at least for anyone earning over £20k so as not to affect the very low paid.

So, how do you class a travelling sportsman? What determines where a tennis player, golfer, racing driver etc pay tax?

Ultimately, if a worker/businessman is mobile to the point that they can base themselves wherever they want, what gives any government a right to some of their income?

Where have I said a government has a right to tax you regardless of where you reside? You are creating your own argument. Good luck with it.

[turbobloke]

"the country which gave them their breaks"

Which country would that be? Surely not the UK with one of the government's top schools people, Ralph Tabberer, indicating this week how appalling our dumbed down education system has become due to Labour egalitarian delusion, so starting out with a decent schooling is harder than ever. HM Treasury is on the road to supertax due to national near-bankruptcy and Labour egalitarian delusion, meanwhile the country is hog-tied with red tape from Brussels as Crash Brownie calls for more green taxes and higher corporation tax due to Labour egalitarian delusion, so anybody who tries to better themselves and succeeds against the odds is faced with an anti-achievement culture from the top down due to Labour egalitarian delusion.

Presumably the reference is to a country of destination for rich and successful people, such as Switzerland which has certainly given Lewis Hamilton a break from punitive taxation, or Monaco which does similarly for Jenson Button.

The Daily Mash has it spot on as usual with their coverage of Fred the Shred's latest odd decision:

Fred Goodwin Loses Mind



Sir Fred Goodwin was understood to have lost his mind last night after deciding to give up half his pension and leave his luxury villa in the South of France.

As the former Royal Bank of Scotland chief executive made the offer to smooth his return to the UK, people across the country said if it was them they would be learning French and browsing through yacht catalogues while an attractive man or woman licked paté off their private area.

Analysts are divided over whether Sir Fred should have kept his pension and stayed in Cannes, or whether he should have kept his pension, stayed in Cannes, added a huge extension to his house, filled it with vintage Ferraris and written 'fk You Britain' on the roof in giant letters.

And Emma Bradford, from Madeley-Finnegan, added "There are two key reasons why Sir Fred should not give back his pension. One, it was all Gordon Brown's fault, and two, it was all Gordon Brown's fault."



For anybody interested in the education spat, it's here

[Mrs Trackside]

johnfm said:

artov60 said:

The communist comment is over my head I'm afraid?? If that is your bag- fill your boots.

Agree there should not need to be a higher percentage for higher earners. Do not agree with the very high earners who evade tax and pay less than someone on minimum wage by finding or creating loopholes. Must be a way of making a law so UK workers must pay at least 20% in tax regardless of any loophole- at least for anyone earning over £20k so as not to affect the very low paid.

So, how do you class a travelling sportsman? What determines where a tennis player, golfer, racing driver etc pay tax?

Ultimately, if a worker/businessman is mobile to the point that they can base themselves wherever they want, what gives any government a right to some of their income?

They use the resources of that country - roads they drive on, airports they catch planes from, refuse collection, police resources, etc (whether they directly use them or not), so why shouldn't they pay tax?

[artov60]

Oakey said:

Ultimately, if a worker/businessman is mobile to the point that they can base themselves wherever they want, what gives any government a right to some of their income?

I guess it depends on which country they want to be a citizen of and have a passport for, doesn't it?

Yes exactly. The question is should they bugger off as soon as they become successful or should they stay in their home country and continue to make a contribution to the economy of that country?

EDIT Sorry I have screwed up the quote above- scroll back to see who actually said what!!

Edited by artov60 on Friday 19th June 15:11

[turbobloke]

Mrs Trackside said:

johnfm said:

artov60 said:

The communist comment is over my head I'm afraid?? If that is your bag- fill your boots.

Agree there should not need to be a higher percentage for higher earners. Do not agree with the very high earners who evade tax and pay less than someone on minimum wage by finding or creating loopholes. Must be a way of making a law so UK workers must pay at least 20% in tax regardless of any loophole- at least for anyone earning over £20k so as not to affect the very low paid.

So, how do you class a travelling sportsman? What determines where a tennis player, golfer, racing driver etc pay tax?

Ultimately, if a worker/businessman is mobile to the point that they can base themselves wherever they want, what gives any government a right to some of their income?

They use the resources of that country - roads they drive on, airports they catch planes from, refuse collection, police resources, etc (whether they directly use them or not), so why shouldn't they pay tax?

If enough people feel so strongly why doesn't HM Treasury get swamped with additional voluntary tax contributions from a variety of non-breadline individuals? Words are cheap, taxation here is a rip-off and worse still it then gets spunked up the wall or used to buy votes for Labour's idiots.

[patmahe]

elster said:

I have no problem with rich paying more tax.

But why a higher percentage?!!

I've often wondered this, I suppose its a perception that a higher proportion of a high earners salary is disposable. Seems a bit odd to punish success though.

[Mrs Trackside]

turbobloke said:

Mrs Trackside said:

johnfm said:

artov60 said:

The communist comment is over my head I'm afraid?? If that is your bag- fill your boots.

Agree there should not need to be a higher percentage for higher earners. Do not agree with the very high earners who evade tax and pay less than someone on minimum wage by finding or creating loopholes. Must be a way of making a law so UK workers must pay at least 20% in tax regardless of any loophole- at least for anyone earning over £20k so as not to affect the very low paid.

So, how do you class a travelling sportsman? What determines where a tennis player, golfer, racing driver etc pay tax?

Ultimately, if a worker/businessman is mobile to the point that they can base themselves wherever they want, what gives any government a right to some of their income?

They use the resources of that country - roads they drive on, airports they catch planes from, refuse collection, police resources, etc (whether they directly use them or not), so why shouldn't they pay tax?

If enough people feel so strongly why doesn't HM Treasury get swamped with additional voluntary tax contributions?

Maybe I misunderstood Johnfm's comment. I've read it as a person who has a mobile job that takes him to any country he chooses shouldn't pay tax to any Government (not just the UK).

Edited by Mrs Trackside on Friday 19th June 15:11

[artov60]

Turbobloke

Agree ref government. Labour inherited a strong economy and screwed it up as they always do, and we are being taxed at ever greater levels.

However I do not agree with those people who earn mega salaries and pay less tax than their part time cleaner.

At some stage the Conservatives will come back in and even they will need money to try and clean up the Labour mess.

[turbobloke]

Mrs Trackside said:

turbobloke said:

Mrs Trackside said:

johnfm said:

artov60 said:

The communist comment is over my head I'm afraid?? If that is your bag- fill your boots.

Agree there should not need to be a higher percentage for higher earners. Do not agree with the very high earners who evade tax and pay less than someone on minimum wage by finding or creating loopholes. Must be a way of making a law so UK workers must pay at least 20% in tax regardless of any loophole- at least for anyone earning over £20k so as not to affect the very low paid.

So, how do you class a travelling sportsman? What determines where a tennis player, golfer, racing driver etc pay tax?

Ultimately, if a worker/businessman is mobile to the point that they can base themselves wherever they want, what gives any government a right to some of their income?

They use the resources of that country - roads they drive on, airports they catch planes from, refuse collection, police resources, etc (whether they directly use them or not), so why shouldn't they pay tax?

If enough people feel so strongly why doesn't HM Treasury get swamped with additional voluntary tax contributions?

Maybe I misunderstood Johnfm's comment. I've read it as a person who has a mobile job that takes him to any country he chooses shouldn't pay tax to any Government (not just the UK).

The idea that any country has any right to rip-off tax is just a myth created by those very governments that like to soak the hardworking class for tax and then waste it, under the misguided idea that other people's money is really theirs to give away. Fiscal masochism isn't my scene I'm afraid, so whether the point is local or international we may have to agree to disagree

Meanwhile here's the title page for the latest Chapter from Gordon's Bible.

[ewenm]

artov60 said:

Turbobloke

Agree ref government. Labour inherited a strong economy and screwed it up as they always do, and we are being taxed at ever greater levels.

However I do not agree with those people who earn mega salaries and pay less tax than their part time cleaner.

At some stage the Conservatives will come back in and even they will need money to try and clean up the Labour mess.

That sounds rather "Daily Wail" for me. Have you got any links to news stories that document those cases?

[turbobloke]

artov60 said:

Turbobloke

Agree ref government. Labour inherited a strong economy and screwed it up as they always do, and we are being taxed at ever greater levels.

Agreed.

artov60 said:

However I do not agree with those people who earn mega salaries and pay less tax than their part time cleaner.

My view is if so, the cleaner should pay no tax.

artov60 said:

At some stage the Conservatives will come back in and even they will need money to try and clean up the Labour mess.

Yes that's about right. Good luck to the sops who will be forking it out, either willingly or unwittingly. There are enough people who didn't play much if any part in creating the mess we're in as a nation, perhaps somebody could explain why they ought to stay around to pay for it? Focusing on the most enterprising and successful wealth-creating and job-creating individuals and expecting them to hand over shedloads of cash with a smile may be the most delusional form of egalitarian delusion there is.

[Jasandjules]

Take a look at how much tax some of the "socialist" ministers are paying, the ones with 3-4 homes and multi millions in the bank........... Now, if they are true socialists surely they'd just give all their money (above the average wage/income) to the Govt to redistribute... Yet for some reason they want to keep all their cash and redistribute everyone elses.