PMQ's Today - Good Start

[Oakey]

Cameron: Welcome to PrimeMinisters planted Questions

[cs02rm0]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8104911.stm

[Stig]

Cameron: (after Labour heckling) - "They can't keep quiet on a Wednesday but spend the rest of the week trying to get rid of him"

[FourWheelDrift]

I should imagine it's been going along the lines of this today.

Winky: Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, they're ganging up on me again. Tell them to stop it.

[D-Angle]

Mr Speaker, I know nothing

[Oakey]

What does he keep spouting? "They are the party of the few, we are the party of the many"?

Maybe someone should point out those election results to him?

[unrepentant]

I thought that Cameron was awful today. The "they don't blame you for the recession it's all over europe" comment was stupid and made him look silly and taking on labour on public spending is an own goal unless they want to make a virtue of Tory cutting plans. A poor performance, Hague would have done much better.

[FourWheelDrift]

Oakey said:

What does he keep spouting? "They are the party of the few, we are the party of the many"?

They are the party of the few expenses cheats, we are the party of the many. Perhaps?

[NoelWatson]

unrepentant said:

I thought that Cameron was awful today. The "they don't blame you for the recession it's all over europe" comment was stupid and made him look silly and taking on labour on public spending is an own goal unless they want to make a virtue of Tory cutting plans. A poor performance, Hague would have done much better.

Agreed.

[mattviatura]

NoelWatson said:

unrepentant said:

I thought that Cameron was awful today. The "they don't blame you for the recession it's all over europe" comment was stupid and made him look silly and taking on labour on public spending is an own goal unless they want to make a virtue of Tory cutting plans. A poor performance, Hague would have done much better.

Agreed.

Agreed as well, Cameron has squandered a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity over the last couple of weeks.

Why can't the tories manage to point out that spending cuts are a GOOD thing if WASTE is trimmed off. The party of the many (tt phrase) constantly regurgitate "schools and hospitals" but I WANT to see some of the spending at my local hospital reduced.

Is it really that hard?

[thinfourth2]

mattviatura said:

NoelWatson said:

unrepentant said:

I thought that Cameron was awful today. The "they don't blame you for the recession it's all over europe" comment was stupid and made him look silly and taking on labour on public spending is an own goal unless they want to make a virtue of Tory cutting plans. A poor performance, Hague would have done much better.

Agreed.

Agreed as well, Cameron has squandered a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity over the last couple of weeks.

Why can't the tories manage to point out that spending cuts are a GOOD thing if WASTE is trimmed off. The party of the many (tt phrase) constantly regurgitate "schools and hospitals" but I WANT to see some of the spending at my local hospital reduced.

Is it really that hard?

Don't forget that politicians get to the top by offending no body and stirring no controversy so its not in the nature of the beast to score points publicly it is all cloak and dagger double faced politics we live with. he is never going to say winky is an idiot despite everyone knowing he is

[D-Angle]

mattviatura said:

NoelWatson said:

unrepentant said:

I thought that Cameron was awful today. The "they don't blame you for the recession it's all over europe" comment was stupid and made him look silly and taking on labour on public spending is an own goal unless they want to make a virtue of Tory cutting plans. A poor performance, Hague would have done much better.

Agreed.

Agreed as well, Cameron has squandered a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity over the last couple of weeks.

Why can't the tories manage to point out that spending cuts are a GOOD thing if WASTE is trimmed off. The party of the many (tt phrase) constantly regurgitate "schools and hospitals" but I WANT to see some of the spending at my local hospital reduced.

Is it really that hard?

I know what you mean, this constant mantra of "record investment" says to me they aren't just pissing my money up the wall, they want a pat on the back for it as well!

I think the majority of the public knows that in the public services, and other facets of public spending, there is a tremendous amount of waste. The expenses scandal has simply reinforced what we all already knew. With so many people having to watch their money and tighten their blts at the moment, I think a commitment to reduce waste and give more efficient use of our money would strike a chord with many people. We shouldn't cut public services, but we can certainly cut waste.

If one of my local prospective Tory candidates can put it that way, why can't our Dave? At the moment they are getting plastered in the press by the 'Tory Cuts' propaganda, and it would be a much better answer than the wishy-washy responses we are getting now.

[unrepentant]

D-Angle said:

I think the majority of the public knows that in the public services, and other facets of public spending, there is a tremendous amount of waste. The expenses scandal has simply reinforced what we all already knew. With so many people having to watch their money and tighten their blts at the moment, I think a commitment to reduce waste and give more efficient use of our money would strike a chord with many people. We shouldn't cut public services, but we can certainly cut waste.

If one of my local prospective Tory candidates can put it that way, why can't our Dave? At the moment they are getting plastered in the press by the 'Tory Cuts' propaganda, and it would be a much better answer than the wishy-washy responses we are getting now.

The Tories need to make it clear that expenditure on front line services will increase whilst waste will be eliminated leading to overall savings. At the moment that message is not getting across.

[Jasandjules]

unrepentant said:

The Tories need to make it clear that expenditure on front line services will increase whilst waste will be eliminated leading to overall savings. At the moment that message is not getting across.

Exactly. Simply stating that they will reduce spending = morons in the UK saying that Doctors and Policemen will be sacked.

What they need to make very clear is that Quangos, middle management and other non-jobs will be removed, NOT those who count, when it comes to cost cutting.

[Don]

unrepentant said:

The Tories need to make it clear that expenditure on front line services will increase whilst waste will be eliminated leading to overall savings. At the moment that message is not getting across.

It isn't getting across because it would be bks.

Front line services will have to be cut. Sure - anyone sensible will go for invisible, non-public facing stuff FIRST. But it won't be enough.

That and persuading civil servants to make other civil servants redundant is one hell of a job. Far easier employing a few more.

Make no mistake. After the election jobs willgo. People will be really fked off about it.

The LAST thing the Cameroons need is to then be getting it in the neck for LYING...LIKE THIS CURRENT BUNCH OF LYING, THEIVING SHYSTERS!

[unrepentant]

Don said:

unrepentant said:

The Tories need to make it clear that expenditure on front line services will increase whilst waste will be eliminated leading to overall savings. At the moment that message is not getting across.

It isn't getting across because it would be bks.

Front line services will have to be cut. Sure - anyone sensible will go for invisible, non-public facing stuff FIRST. But it won't be enough.

That and persuading civil servants to make other civil servants redundant is one hell of a job. Far easier employing a few more.

Make no mistake. After the election jobs willgo. People will be really fked off about it.

I disgree. When I say front line services I'm talking about Hospitals and schools, doctors and nurses etc.. Not civil servants. Even civil servants know that jobs will be cut. There is also a hell of a lot of waste that can be eliminated besides cutting numbers.

Cutting front line public facing services in health and education would be unacceptable to the public, would render any party unelectable and Cameron needs to pledge not to do it.

[JagLover]

Don said:

unrepentant said:

The Tories need to make it clear that expenditure on front line services will increase whilst waste will be eliminated leading to overall savings. At the moment that message is not getting across.

It isn't getting across because it would be bks.

Front line services will have to be cut. Sure - anyone sensible will go for invisible, non-public facing stuff FIRST. But it won't be enough.

That and persuading civil servants to make other civil servants redundant is one hell of a job. Far easier employing a few more.

Make no mistake. After the election jobs willgo. People will be really fked off about it.

The LAST thing the Cameroons need is to then be getting it in the neck for LYING...LIKE THIS CURRENT BUNCH OF LYING, THEIVING SHYSTERS!

Public sector Pensions reform would save tens of billions and given that the public sector payroll has expanded by 600,000 since 1997, there is scope for big cuts without hitting front line services.

[Spiritual_Beggar]

Public sector as a whole neds to be looked at. Too many non-jobs created in order to ease the un-employment numbers, and now we have a system that is woefully innefficient, and draws far too much of the taxpayers money.

There needs to be a huge cull, and a lot of public service companies need to seriously look at their operational structure and refine it.


I'm disillusioned with the Tories atm.

There was a lo of talk, but not a lot of action so far. Now is the perfect time to attack Brown and labour, whilest they are weak, and the Tories (DC) seem to be letting the moment slip by. They need to have faith that the public aren't clueless and understand that certain hard decisions need to be made.

[F i F]

But cutting waste does not just mean jobs, although that is part of it.

Single anecdotal example, a neighbour on behalf of her church collects surplus unwanted and time expired medicines, drugs, bandages, and various medical supplies for parcelling up and sending off to nefarious parts of the world. All very Christian.

She makes the trip several times a year to this one hospital. One Mondeo estate packed to the ceiling and towing a big trailer isn't enough to carry all the unused and unwanted stuff even after two trips!!!! From.... just.... one.... hospital.

[shakotan]

I know nothing of how politics work, but seeing Daniel Hannan at work, I would have thought he would do an excellent job in PMQ.