VAT - Just how stupid is this government?

VAT - Just how stupid is this government?

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Bing o

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15,184 posts

225 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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Not seen this anywhere, so apologies if a pea-roast.

So on New Year's Eve retailers will have to swap over all their pricing again, right in the middle of what should be one of their busiest times (and let's not forget that a lot have returned to their 17.5% levels anyway, so effectively inflation will go up by about 2%....

HOW USELESS CAN THESE DUMB S ACTUALLY BE???

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/ind...

Devilstreak

8,088 posts

187 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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Yeah, us accountants knew they were going to do this as soon as they announced the 15% vat rate. and the general consensus was that it was useless lowering it anyway because most places would match the prices they had before the drop any way. Thus making alot more work for us at Vat quarter ends... booo lolshoot


jesusbuiltmycar

4,620 posts

260 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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Don't worry...

The badger needed to create the illusion of defaltion (or as he put it the spectre of deflation) so he could start quantative easing rolleyes

Spiritual_Beggar

4,833 posts

200 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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Absolutely disgusting.

More and more tax.


I'm starting to wonder if Iran has the right idea. The apathy will never reach the necessary levels in this country though.

Don

28,377 posts

290 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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My guess is that after the election VAT will go up to 20% or so. Income tax will probably have to go up by a couple of percent too.

And lots of the population will believe it's "so unfair" and consider voting Labour again forgetting who it was that actually created the requirement.

Bah.

ACEparts_com

3,724 posts

247 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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I'm all for the vat increase, hopefully inline with europe to 21%. Of course, this is just my own selfish view as it will increase our sales (no vat in channel islands) and make us more competitive. It won't help the UK though but hey, politicians don't give a toss about anything other than lining there own pockets so why should I be any different?

Murcielago_Boy

2,007 posts

245 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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These stupid sons of b1tches in our government just have no idea about how businesses are started, managed, and run.
Truly - what a bunch of thickos.
Margaret Thatcher, we need you!!

henrycrun

2,461 posts

246 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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But didn't the Tories allow the Deregulation of the Banking Industry way back....

justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

248 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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ACEparts_com said:
I'm all for the vat increase, hopefully inline with europe to 21%. Of course, this is just my own selfish view as it will increase our sales (no vat in channel islands) and make us more competitive. It won't help the UK though but hey, politicians don't give a toss about anything other than lining there own pockets so why should I be any different?
You only sell if people have money and are willing to spend, no matter how competitive you are.

Mark Benson

7,727 posts

275 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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henrycrun said:
But didn't the Tories allow the Deregulation of the Banking Industry way back....
Which in essence was a good thing - we can all see what excessive legislation does to organisations - look at the NHS. Or Schools. Or the police.

But it's every government's responsibility to keep a watchful eye out for practices which may harm the economy - it's called light-touch regulation and has become a dirty word, but it's essentially making sure the toddler doesn't eat too many sweets and telling it off when it does, while allowing it to grow and mature on it's own.

Unfortunately we've seen a government completely awestruck by the financial industry allowing it to gorge on sweets until it's sick.

Bing o

Original Poster:

15,184 posts

225 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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henrycrun said:
But didn't the Tories allow the Deregulation of the Banking Industry way back....
Totally different set of financial products back then, nowhere near as complex as they are now.

So your point is, well, pointless.

ZondaMan

373 posts

193 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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henrycrun said:
But didn't the Tories allow the Deregulation of the Banking Industry way back....
There's quite a difference between light regulation/deregulation and bad regulation. Our regulatory failures came from the system introduced by Brown, which focussed on more box ticking and bureaucracy, rather than sensible, active monitoring and up-to-date knowledge of the products being used. Some warnings were ignored by the FSA, for instance, because they simply didn't understand what it was they were being shown. The Tory deregulation unarguably helped the city prosper and become the powerhouse it is today, without causing any trouble - you can take a step back from interfering if you at least understand what's going on, so can decide whether any further intervention is necessary to realign incentives etc (if and when it's needed). There's therefore no need for constant meddling and intervention, which simply stifles competitiveness and wealth creation.

Edited by ZondaMan on Wednesday 17th June 22:24

eliot

11,701 posts

260 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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And can we expect a reduction in duty on fuel & beer (and fags?) at the same time too?
Because you all remember/realise that the duty was increased by exactly the same amount that the VAT was descreased by.

Edited by eliot on Wednesday 17th June 20:46

Funk

26,510 posts

215 months

Thursday 18th June 2009
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eliot said:
And can we expect a reduction in duty on fuel & beer (and fags?) at the same time too?
Because you all remember/realise that the duty was increased by exactly the same amount that the VAT was descreased by.

Edited by eliot on Wednesday 17th June 20:46
This will be the absolute killer. A whack up in fuel duty and then another increase in VAT to 17.5% again will murder fuel prices. They're ramping up again already - petrol back over £1 a litre now and only more pain to come.

Edited by Funk on Thursday 18th June 10:42

Mclovin

1,679 posts

204 months

Thursday 18th June 2009
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its classic labour...no consultation with the people and businesses that will be effected...

lord summerisle

8,147 posts

231 months

Thursday 18th June 2009
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Funk said:
eliot said:
And can we expect a reduction in duty on fuel & beer (and fags?) at the same time too?
Because you all remember/realise that the duty was increased by exactly the same amount that the VAT was descreased by.

Edited by eliot on Wednesday 17th June 20:46
This will be the absolute killer. A whack up in fuel duty and then another increase in VAT to 17.5% again will murder fuel prices. They're ramping up again already - petrol back over £1 a litre now and only more pain to come.

Edited by Funk on Thursday 18th June 10:42
increase at the new year will just be the right time to kill off any possiblity of any green shoots of recovery that Darling fantasied about in the new year in his budget.