Devolution for the North?
Discussion
Well, this one is bound to produce some interesting comments 
If we look at the situation at present, what are the arguments for maintaining the ‘North’ as part of England. Should we sell it to the Scots and Welsh for £1?
Majority of unserciveable personal debt weighing down England is from the North.
Majority of bankrupted banks were from the North: Bradford & Bingley, Northern Rock, RBS, HBoS etc
Slump in manufacturing output.
Lowest level of health, so highest cost to NHS.
Highest demands on welfare state.
Lowest per capita tax receipts.
Highest concentration of die hard Labour support. Probably, retaining the political view as Labour have proven a desire to take even more funds from the ‘working’ classes and distribute to the non-working classes.
As a half man, half Yorkshireman while above is clearly overly provoking, it does make you wonder if the North South Divide is not going to be even stronger now than before and whether that is a good thing. which it really can't be.
If we look at the situation at present, what are the arguments for maintaining the ‘North’ as part of England. Should we sell it to the Scots and Welsh for £1?
Majority of unserciveable personal debt weighing down England is from the North.
Majority of bankrupted banks were from the North: Bradford & Bingley, Northern Rock, RBS, HBoS etc
Slump in manufacturing output.
Lowest level of health, so highest cost to NHS.
Highest demands on welfare state.
Lowest per capita tax receipts.
Highest concentration of die hard Labour support. Probably, retaining the political view as Labour have proven a desire to take even more funds from the ‘working’ classes and distribute to the non-working classes.
As a half man, half Yorkshireman while above is clearly overly provoking, it does make you wonder if the North South Divide is not going to be even stronger now than before and whether that is a good thing. which it really can't be.
Edited by Horse_Apple on Monday 15th June 11:47
Horse_Apple said:
Well, this one is bound to produce some interesting comments
If we look at the situation at present, what are the arguments for maintaining the ‘North’ as part of England. Should we sell it to the Scots and Welsh for £1?
Majority of unserciveable personal debt weighing down England is from the North.
Majority of bankrupted banks were from the North: Bradford & Bingley, Northern Rock, RBS, HBoS etc
Slump in manufacturing output.
Lowest level of health, so highest cost to NHS.
Highest demands on welfare state.
Lowest per capita tax receipts.
Highest concentration of die hard Labour support. Probably, retaining the political view as Labour have proven a desire to take even more funds from the ‘working’ classes and distribute to the non-working classes.
As a half man, half Yorkshireman while above is clearly overly provoking, it does make you wonder if the North South Divide is not going to be even stronger now than before and whether that is a good thing. which it really can't be.
half man, half Yorkshireman = HalfwitIf we look at the situation at present, what are the arguments for maintaining the ‘North’ as part of England. Should we sell it to the Scots and Welsh for £1?
Majority of unserciveable personal debt weighing down England is from the North.
Majority of bankrupted banks were from the North: Bradford & Bingley, Northern Rock, RBS, HBoS etc
Slump in manufacturing output.
Lowest level of health, so highest cost to NHS.
Highest demands on welfare state.
Lowest per capita tax receipts.
Highest concentration of die hard Labour support. Probably, retaining the political view as Labour have proven a desire to take even more funds from the ‘working’ classes and distribute to the non-working classes.
As a half man, half Yorkshireman while above is clearly overly provoking, it does make you wonder if the North South Divide is not going to be even stronger now than before and whether that is a good thing. which it really can't be.
Edited by Horse_Apple on Monday 15th June 11:47
thinfourth2 said:
As long as we can build a wall round London and keep all the idiots that like the place in there.
And to stop the arguments over who gets brown etc we put them under the wall
Given it's the inhabitants of London (well the financial part anyway) who have fAnd to stop the arguments over who gets brown etc we put them under the wall
Edited by thinfourth2 on Monday 15th June 11:58
ked this country into the arse-end of next week, I think that's not a bad idea. 
Edited by fathomfive on Monday 15th June 12:05
Horse_Apple said:
This is actually about a widening in the North/South divide.
So, I take it you do not believe that this is happening or is an issue if it is?
The gap isn't changing. It's just the perennial issue between those from the south who think their way of life is better and those in the North who know theirs is.So, I take it you do not believe that this is happening or is an issue if it is?
As various parts of the south and south east have their fair share of the economically inactive, is it the OP's plan to encircle these areas and declare UDI for them.
As a born Londoner and now living in a nice part of the Home Counties, I do not have a northern axe to grind. I think power should be devolved down to all parts of the UK including us in the South. Like many other PHer's I'm pretty fed up with the selective devolution this shabby Government of our's has inflicted upon this once great country.
As a born Londoner and now living in a nice part of the Home Counties, I do not have a northern axe to grind. I think power should be devolved down to all parts of the UK including us in the South. Like many other PHer's I'm pretty fed up with the selective devolution this shabby Government of our's has inflicted upon this once great country.
Horse_Apple said:
F i F said:
How silly.
Thought for the day.
If a Horse eats an Apple, what we will get is Horse st.
points at this thread.
QED.
This is actually about a widening in the North/South divide.Thought for the day.
If a Horse eats an Apple, what we will get is Horse s
t.points at this thread.
QED.
So, I take it you do not believe that this is happening or is an issue if it is?
Horse_Apple said:
Majority of unserciveable personal debt weighing down England is from the North.
Is it? Evidence? btw include mortgages. I don't know the answer but let us see the evidence.Horse_Apple said:
Majority of bankrupted banks were from the North: Bradford & Bingley, Northern Rock, RBS, HBoS etc
Seeing as a significant number of problems were from building societies which had converted to banks, and the BS movement started in the North then that comment may be valid, but is irrelevant in my opinion in light of what happened and reasons.Horse_Apple said:
Slump in manufacturing output.
Define North, I'm sure the Midlands would be very happy to hear they are not in a manufacturing slump.Maybe you really do mean North of Watford.
Horse_Apple said:
Lowest level of health, so highest cost to NHS.
Again blanket generalised statements without any facts or references.and so it goes on, I can't be arsed to type any more.
If you wanted to comment on a North South divide and ask is it widening then there is a far better way to do it than your rather puerile suggestion of devolution. It's why you have got so many equally puerile comments in the thread, including mine.
For the record I'd argue there is a divide across the whole country, with areas in every region which meet your criteria of meeting the characteristics pertaining to the South, eg per capita tax revenue, health bla di bla, and quite cloise by areas having the attributes you assign to the North. So should we give devolution to part of Worcester for example? Sell it to Birmingham for 50p?
Excellent words FiF!
Yes the North is all redundant blackened chimney stacks and streets of dole scrounging, credit happy and unhealthy ex-factory workers.
I can guarantee the OP that he won't find a single old mill building in my town, bearing in mind it's a large town in Yorkshire. If one existed it would be posh apartments by now. My LHA trust is one of the best in the nation and the town's education system is well above average with many schools at the head of the league table. So try correlate that with your North=st theory. Maybe you didn't 'fit in' up here and have an axe to grind?
Oh yeah and if northern devolution did happen and TVR ever got going again in Blackpool I'll make it my responsibility to ensure you, as a traitor southerner defector, are not allowed one.
Yes the North is all redundant blackened chimney stacks and streets of dole scrounging, credit happy and unhealthy ex-factory workers.
I can guarantee the OP that he won't find a single old mill building in my town, bearing in mind it's a large town in Yorkshire. If one existed it would be posh apartments by now. My LHA trust is one of the best in the nation and the town's education system is well above average with many schools at the head of the league table. So try correlate that with your North=s
t theory. Maybe you didn't 'fit in' up here and have an axe to grind?Oh yeah and if northern devolution did happen and TVR ever got going again in Blackpool I'll make it my responsibility to ensure you, as a traitor southerner defector, are not allowed one.
Edited by KANEIT on Monday 15th June 18:28
Semi hemi said:
Tell me, is there something in the water down in the South of England that brings on these delusions of grandeur ?
Doudt it as most of the water is piped down from the north anyway which of course the with wouldn't want as it is third world water so they can drink the Thames thinfourth2 said:
Doudt it as most of the water is piped down from the north anyway which of course the with wouldn't want as it is third world water so they can drink the Thames
Was that English...lol TBH, take London out of the south, and there's not really a lot going on down here.
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