police expenses
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when that great copper gave our jackie a grilling on the tv i thought they were different...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/14/exp...
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/06/14/hundreds-of-t...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/14/exp...
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/06/14/hundreds-of-t...
I don't know why any organisation has corportate cards - they're always a nightmare with people buying all sorts of stuff for the most spurious reasons, or even just saying "oops,we used the wrong card".
As a manager, getting people to fill in supporting expense claims was the bain of my life - yet it's no problem if people are spending their own money first and then claiming it back.
As a manager, getting people to fill in supporting expense claims was the bain of my life - yet it's no problem if people are spending their own money first and then claiming it back.
In principle agree with Deva Link, they truly are a PITA, especially if as guvnor you try and be flexible, on the one hand being reasonable and on the other hand dealing with people who take the pee.
Problem is that it can be difficult with young(ish) staff members that they cannot get sufficient credit allowance on their card(s) to fund any typical degree of operations especially involving foreign travel. Even more so when hotels and hire car companies block out huge wedges of credit allowance on cards just on the off chance.
Therefore you are given the choice of either issuing company cards, or handing out a cash float in gbp or whichever currency is most appropriate. Which brings it's own problems as some firms just don't like dealing in cash. Obviously not ones that deal with a certain cabinet minister Malik of course but that's by the by.
Hence corprate cards are a useful technique, just that it requires employee and management discipline to deal with in a good way without being anal about it. Could be argued of course that if they are misused / badly monitored then the wrong people are being employed.
Problem is that it can be difficult with young(ish) staff members that they cannot get sufficient credit allowance on their card(s) to fund any typical degree of operations especially involving foreign travel. Even more so when hotels and hire car companies block out huge wedges of credit allowance on cards just on the off chance.
Therefore you are given the choice of either issuing company cards, or handing out a cash float in gbp or whichever currency is most appropriate. Which brings it's own problems as some firms just don't like dealing in cash. Obviously not ones that deal with a certain cabinet minister Malik of course but that's by the by.
Hence corprate cards are a useful technique, just that it requires employee and management discipline to deal with in a good way without being anal about it. Could be argued of course that if they are misused / badly monitored then the wrong people are being employed.
F i F said:
Therefore you are given the choice of either issuing company cards, or handing out a cash float in gbp or whichever currency is most appropriate. Which brings it's own problems as some firms just don't like dealing in cash. Obviously not ones that deal with a certain cabinet minister Malik of course but that's by the by.
Hence corprate cards are a useful technique, just that it requires employee and management discipline to deal with in a good way without being anal about it. Could be argued of course that if they are misused / badly monitored then the wrong people are being employed.
The way our place does is it is to issue "corporate" cards where the payments actually come from the individual's bank account. This helps the new grads as the corporate card has a much higher limit than they would be able to get without it being linked to the company, but it's basically their card and they have to pay it off and claim it back like any other expense.Hence corprate cards are a useful technique, just that it requires employee and management discipline to deal with in a good way without being anal about it. Could be argued of course that if they are misused / badly monitored then the wrong people are being employed.
trooperiziz said:
F i F said:
Therefore you are given the choice of either issuing company cards, or handing out a cash float in gbp or whichever currency is most appropriate. Which brings it's own problems as some firms just don't like dealing in cash. Obviously not ones that deal with a certain cabinet minister Malik of course but that's by the by.
Hence corprate cards are a useful technique, just that it requires employee and management discipline to deal with in a good way without being anal about it. Could be argued of course that if they are misused / badly monitored then the wrong people are being employed.
The way our place does is it is to issue "corporate" cards where the payments actually come from the individual's bank account. This helps the new grads as the corporate card has a much higher limit than they would be able to get without it being linked to the company, but it's basically their card and they have to pay it off and claim it back like any other expense.Hence corprate cards are a useful technique, just that it requires employee and management discipline to deal with in a good way without being anal about it. Could be argued of course that if they are misused / badly monitored then the wrong people are being employed.
that is the way ours work too.There are certain categories of seller that are allowed, and others that are not. Detail; flights and travel costs ferries, trains etc are billed on the card and charged direct to Company, subject to other controls as to what / how can be booked, other legitimate and expected charges, eg hotels, car hire, restaurants etc are separately billed to cardholder and they are responsible for that part of the bill and pay it / claim back in normal way.
Other retailers eg clothes, record shops etc the card will/should always be refused. This sort of control is possible with electronic approval of cards, not so with the old paper record and swipe machine.
Actually I use my own cards mostly as I have more credit allowances than I want several times over, and I collect the card freebies / cash backs etc and I have fraud cover. If it's a dodgy country / location then the Company card everytime.
F i F said:
trooperiziz said:
F i F said:
Therefore you are given the choice of either issuing company cards, or handing out a cash float in gbp or whichever currency is most appropriate. Which brings it's own problems as some firms just don't like dealing in cash. Obviously not ones that deal with a certain cabinet minister Malik of course but that's by the by.
Hence corprate cards are a useful technique, just that it requires employee and management discipline to deal with in a good way without being anal about it. Could be argued of course that if they are misused / badly monitored then the wrong people are being employed.
The way our place does is it is to issue "corporate" cards where the payments actually come from the individual's bank account. This helps the new grads as the corporate card has a much higher limit than they would be able to get without it being linked to the company, but it's basically their card and they have to pay it off and claim it back like any other expense.Hence corprate cards are a useful technique, just that it requires employee and management discipline to deal with in a good way without being anal about it. Could be argued of course that if they are misused / badly monitored then the wrong people are being employed.
that is the way ours work too.There are certain categories of seller that are allowed, and others that are not. Detail; flights and travel costs ferries, trains etc are billed on the card and charged direct to Company, subject to other controls as to what / how can be booked, other legitimate and expected charges, eg hotels, car hire, restaurants etc are separately billed to cardholder and they are responsible for that part of the bill and pay it / claim back in normal way.
Other retailers eg clothes, record shops etc the card will/should always be refused. This sort of control is possible with electronic approval of cards, not so with the old paper record and swipe machine.
Actually I use my own cards mostly as I have more credit allowances than I want several times over, and I collect the card freebies / cash backs etc and I have fraud cover. If it's a dodgy country / location then the Company card everytime.
And what the point of linking it back to the individual's bank account for payment if the individual is, like many, tettering on the verge of being overdrawn? You're then into arguments about bank charges etc.
Teaching is mega-wasteful in certain areas too. The other day (before end of the last tax year), I was listening to a head ask of ways £15K could be spent.
I suppose it beats wasting it on dolescum.
Don't complain about the waste, complain about the tax.
I'd like to see public sector wages paid less and with no tax. That way, it would highlight the true cost of these jobs. As a parasite on the working class, I wonder (perhaps oddly) if it is time for proper reform. Since there are many people without jobs and a lot of those very well qualified, how about inviting people to tender their own contracts. This would make things a lot more fair.... (think Inner London teacher on not-very-much). Down here, there are a lot of people who would be prepared to work for less. Do we really need a Creativity Director in the Council, also, does the Chief really need to be paid that much. Since the actual "working" sector produces the money, why should the employees be allowed to enjoy such wonderful perks?
Everyday, I hear about staff banging on about their rights, maternity leave, so and so pension plans and moolah agogo, completely divorced from "normal" head down graft.....and still complain how hard it is.
I would like to see these people produce a little bit more value for money.
Sadly, that would be far too libertarian and we need a huge nanny state to control everything........and a massive load of pompous experts to ponder over it's nano-detail.
Time for a big change.
I suppose it beats wasting it on dolescum.
Don't complain about the waste, complain about the tax.
I'd like to see public sector wages paid less and with no tax. That way, it would highlight the true cost of these jobs. As a parasite on the working class, I wonder (perhaps oddly) if it is time for proper reform. Since there are many people without jobs and a lot of those very well qualified, how about inviting people to tender their own contracts. This would make things a lot more fair.... (think Inner London teacher on not-very-much). Down here, there are a lot of people who would be prepared to work for less. Do we really need a Creativity Director in the Council, also, does the Chief really need to be paid that much. Since the actual "working" sector produces the money, why should the employees be allowed to enjoy such wonderful perks?
Everyday, I hear about staff banging on about their rights, maternity leave, so and so pension plans and moolah agogo, completely divorced from "normal" head down graft.....and still complain how hard it is.
I would like to see these people produce a little bit more value for money.
Sadly, that would be far too libertarian and we need a huge nanny state to control everything........and a massive load of pompous experts to ponder over it's nano-detail.
Time for a big change.
Deva Link said:
F i F said:
trooperiziz said:
F i F said:
Therefore you are given the choice of either issuing company cards, or handing out a cash float in gbp or whichever currency is most appropriate. Which brings it's own problems as some firms just don't like dealing in cash. Obviously not ones that deal with a certain cabinet minister Malik of course but that's by the by.
Hence corprate cards are a useful technique, just that it requires employee and management discipline to deal with in a good way without being anal about it. Could be argued of course that if they are misused / badly monitored then the wrong people are being employed.
The way our place does is it is to issue "corporate" cards where the payments actually come from the individual's bank account. This helps the new grads as the corporate card has a much higher limit than they would be able to get without it being linked to the company, but it's basically their card and they have to pay it off and claim it back like any other expense.Hence corprate cards are a useful technique, just that it requires employee and management discipline to deal with in a good way without being anal about it. Could be argued of course that if they are misused / badly monitored then the wrong people are being employed.
that is the way ours work too.There are certain categories of seller that are allowed, and others that are not. Detail; flights and travel costs ferries, trains etc are billed on the card and charged direct to Company, subject to other controls as to what / how can be booked, other legitimate and expected charges, eg hotels, car hire, restaurants etc are separately billed to cardholder and they are responsible for that part of the bill and pay it / claim back in normal way.
Other retailers eg clothes, record shops etc the card will/should always be refused. This sort of control is possible with electronic approval of cards, not so with the old paper record and swipe machine.
Actually I use my own cards mostly as I have more credit allowances than I want several times over, and I collect the card freebies / cash backs etc and I have fraud cover. If it's a dodgy country / location then the Company card everytime.
And what the point of linking it back to the individual's bank account for payment if the individual is, like many, tettering on the verge of being overdrawn? You're then into arguments about bank charges etc.
Our system is purely to allow people who otherwise couldn't get a high enough credit limit to be able to expense working abroad for a month, to get a card. It is their personal card and everything has to be claimed back and it is totally their responsibility.
trooperiziz said:
Deva Link said:
F i F said:
trooperiziz said:
F i F said:
Therefore you are given the choice of either issuing company cards, or handing out a cash float in gbp or whichever currency is most appropriate. Which brings it's own problems as some firms just don't like dealing in cash. Obviously not ones that deal with a certain cabinet minister Malik of course but that's by the by.
Hence corprate cards are a useful technique, just that it requires employee and management discipline to deal with in a good way without being anal about it. Could be argued of course that if they are misused / badly monitored then the wrong people are being employed.
The way our place does is it is to issue "corporate" cards where the payments actually come from the individual's bank account. This helps the new grads as the corporate card has a much higher limit than they would be able to get without it being linked to the company, but it's basically their card and they have to pay it off and claim it back like any other expense.Hence corprate cards are a useful technique, just that it requires employee and management discipline to deal with in a good way without being anal about it. Could be argued of course that if they are misused / badly monitored then the wrong people are being employed.
that is the way ours work too.There are certain categories of seller that are allowed, and others that are not. Detail; flights and travel costs ferries, trains etc are billed on the card and charged direct to Company, subject to other controls as to what / how can be booked, other legitimate and expected charges, eg hotels, car hire, restaurants etc are separately billed to cardholder and they are responsible for that part of the bill and pay it / claim back in normal way.
Other retailers eg clothes, record shops etc the card will/should always be refused. This sort of control is possible with electronic approval of cards, not so with the old paper record and swipe machine.
Actually I use my own cards mostly as I have more credit allowances than I want several times over, and I collect the card freebies / cash backs etc and I have fraud cover. If it's a dodgy country / location then the Company card everytime.
And what the point of linking it back to the individual's bank account for payment if the individual is, like many, tettering on the verge of being overdrawn? You're then into arguments about bank charges etc.
Our system is purely to allow people who otherwise couldn't get a high enough credit limit to be able to expense working abroad for a month, to get a card. It is their personal card and everything has to be claimed back and it is totally their responsibility.
Just to show how crap it is there have been quite a few cases where people have been seriously embarrassed when trying to use the card quite legitimately simply because of the retailer being wrongly classified. At least in this case it's not your UK Govt services that are being hindered due to management muppetry.
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