Milliband to be PM by September
Discussion
Mark. My. Words.
I've put my tenner on, have you?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8098392.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/12/dav...
Now, coincidentally, see what Mandy has to say:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...
I've put my tenner on, have you?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8098392.stm
BBC said:
The foreign secretary has admitted that he considered resigning from the government at the same time as his former cabinet colleague James Purnell. David Miliband told the Guardian that, although he reached a different conclusion, he respected the decision Mr Purnell had taken.
"James made his decision in good faith; I made my decision in good faith," Mr Miliband told the paper.
He said he had discussed his decision with Business Secretary Lord Mandelson.
The foreign secretary told the Guardian in an interview that he had made up his mind to stay on the day of the local and European elections. He said: "I'd made my decision on Thursday...sometimes you can make your decisions with great planning and calculation and sometimes you have to make them rather more quickly."
Speaking of his telephone discussion with Lord Mandelson, the foreign secretary said: "I'm not going to go into (our conversation), but we didn't sort of talk about the weather."
He added: "The government is much stronger for Peter at the heart of it."
Read Milliband's comments carefully:"James made his decision in good faith; I made my decision in good faith," Mr Miliband told the paper.
He said he had discussed his decision with Business Secretary Lord Mandelson.
The foreign secretary told the Guardian in an interview that he had made up his mind to stay on the day of the local and European elections. He said: "I'd made my decision on Thursday...sometimes you can make your decisions with great planning and calculation and sometimes you have to make them rather more quickly."
Speaking of his telephone discussion with Lord Mandelson, the foreign secretary said: "I'm not going to go into (our conversation), but we didn't sort of talk about the weather."
He added: "The government is much stronger for Peter at the heart of it."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/12/dav...
Now, coincidentally, see what Mandy has to say:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...
The Labour multi stage process required to change the leader makes it a long drawn out affair. I expect if it did start Brown would resign and a caretaker PM would be appointed like Harman or Straw until the new leader could be elected.
Although Alan Johnson the favourite to replace Brown, I think Milliband is the more electable to the two. He still seems reluctant to step forward though.
Although Alan Johnson the favourite to replace Brown, I think Milliband is the more electable to the two. He still seems reluctant to step forward though.
Edited by el stovey on Saturday 13th June 09:57
hornetrider said:
el stovey said:
He still seems reluctant to step forward though.
Are you taking the piss? 
This has all the hallmarks of being the beginning of Mandy the arch spin-doctor's trademark campaigns.
It looks to me like it will be hard now for anyone to get the 20% support for a challenge now with such a short time until the next election. Labour are just heads down in the bunker now hoping the economy will show signs of picking up and they can try to claim some of the credit.
Guam said:
he understands whoever takes this job, the toxic effects will result in them NOT being in charge when a prospect of returning to power come around again.
Losing an election (even if not your fault) does not auger well for furthering a career as a political leader.
Well, quite. Look at William Hague. Losing an election (even if not your fault) does not auger well for furthering a career as a political leader.
I'm not too convinced about this whole Labour succession issue.
The Labour party are controlled financially by the Unions once again. The party itself is also more leftward leaning than its current and previous leader.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they end up doing a Michael Howard and appointing a Leftie-loony. They aren't the brightest bunch, these Lefties, in the Labour party; they seem to think their time has come once again. That "Blairism" has failed and it's time to go back to the 70s. In a time of crisis, people tend to revert to type.
Milliband seems a little lightweight and a bit of a non-entity to me anyway. The problem is that the description fits most of the "electable" members of NL.
The Labour party are controlled financially by the Unions once again. The party itself is also more leftward leaning than its current and previous leader.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they end up doing a Michael Howard and appointing a Leftie-loony. They aren't the brightest bunch, these Lefties, in the Labour party; they seem to think their time has come once again. That "Blairism" has failed and it's time to go back to the 70s. In a time of crisis, people tend to revert to type.
Milliband seems a little lightweight and a bit of a non-entity to me anyway. The problem is that the description fits most of the "electable" members of NL.
Martial Arts Man said:
Milliband seems a little lightweight and a bit of a non-entity to me anyway. The problem is that the description fits most of the "electable" members of NL.
Actually I think that description genuinely fits most of the leadership team of both Labour and the Conservatives at the moment - and I am not making a political point.Mandleson is now clearly the "ultimate power in the universe"
and Milliband is no idiot - regardless of what you may think of his politics.I suspect a plan may be hatching.... Mandy knows he would never be elected by the general populace.... but Milliband could be, and he would then need a Deputy for the long haul...
TheFlyingBanana said:
Martial Arts Man said:
Milliband seems a little lightweight and a bit of a non-entity to me anyway. The problem is that the description fits most of the "electable" members of NL.
Actually I think that description genuinely fits most of the leadership team of both Labour and the Conservatives at the moment - and I am not making a political point.Mandleson is now clearly the "ultimate power in the universe"
and Milliband is no idiot - regardless of what you may think of his politics.I suspect a plan may be hatching.... Mandy knows he would never be elected by the general populace.... but Milliband could be, and he would then need a Deputy for the long haul...
The whole Mandelson thing still confuses me. I am inclined to think now that all he cares about is keeping Gordon in his job till Ireland ratifies its treaty.
Mandelson will be a focal point of Tory election campaigning; when he is not around to spin his own answers, his record is rather condemning. I do love his talent though. One cannot help but be impressed by the level of scheming and plotting he casts.
Mandy will be back to Europe before long I suspect.
Martial Arts Man said:
TheFlyingBanana said:
Martial Arts Man said:
Milliband seems a little lightweight and a bit of a non-entity to me anyway. The problem is that the description fits most of the "electable" members of NL.
Actually I think that description genuinely fits most of the leadership team of both Labour and the Conservatives at the moment - and I am not making a political point.Mandleson is now clearly the "ultimate power in the universe"
and Milliband is no idiot - regardless of what you may think of his politics.I suspect a plan may be hatching.... Mandy knows he would never be elected by the general populace.... but Milliband could be, and he would then need a Deputy for the long haul...
The whole Mandelson thing still confuses me. I am inclined to think now that all he cares about is keeping Gordon in his job till Ireland ratifies its treaty.
Mandelson will be a focal point of Tory election campaigning; when he is not around to spin his own answers, his record is rather condemning. I do love his talent though. One cannot help but be impressed by the level of scheming and plotting he casts.
Mandy will be back to Europe before long I suspect.
I still believe he is deep down a conservative of the highest order, all you need to do is look at his personal friends and think that.
elster said:
I still believe he is deep down a conservative of the highest order, all you need to do is look at his personal friends and think that.
?? Don't think so. Rabid left winger from the start.Labour want a new leader because its the only thing that is going to save some of them. There are large parts of the party that are gonna get the boot in June next year and a new leader will hopefully lessen those numbers getting the boot.
I don't think the leaders job is so poisoned either. Labour leaders cannot be booted out with the speed or efficiency of a Tory leader, so the whole musical chairs the Tories played since 97 doesn't necessarily have to happen in the Labour Party. In fact, Brown doesn't even have to resign if he loses the election if he so wishes.
Brown will resign the leadership when his wife asks him. She will be the only person allowed to call time.
tinman0 said:
elster said:
I still believe he is deep down a conservative of the highest order, all you need to do is look at his personal friends and think that.
?? Don't think so. Rabid left winger from the start.Don't you find it odd that a socialist warrior* wines and dines with some of the big capitalist leaders on a regular basis.
- This is the term I shall be using for the labour scurge.
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