Brown to reform the electoral system
Discussion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8092235.stm
So what you think he is going to do
Split all labour safe seats into ten safe seats with an labour MP per street, make voting anything other then labour illegal to stop the BNP or some other system that ensures that labour WILL win the next election.
So what you think he is going to do
Split all labour safe seats into ten safe seats with an labour MP per street, make voting anything other then labour illegal to stop the BNP or some other system that ensures that labour WILL win the next election.
Not only is the voting system so skewed in Britain that the Conservatives need to poll 10-12% more votes to stand on an even footing with the socialist scum, now Winky wants to erect a Mugabe style voting system.
Winky; why not make it easy just enforce a 100% vote and only your party on the ballotpaper? It'd save us money, you foo kin crook.... and it work(ed)s in N Korea, the DDR and Zimbabwe
Winky; why not make it easy just enforce a 100% vote and only your party on the ballotpaper? It'd save us money, you foo kin crook.... and it work(ed)s in N Korea, the DDR and Zimbabwe
I think he's going for the away goals count double system. This will be shown by Sir Alan Sugar declining his offer to join the cabinet, and Fergie steps up instead. He'll advise the PM that if they get a vote in a Tory council, that counts for 2 votes. Extra time can be played if not enough double votes have been counted, so a second election can be held on Sudden Death, but only until Labour win
Invisible man said:
It'd be far better to introduce a compulsory voting system IMO
Why? IMO apathy has to remain an option; there's too much compulsion in this society already. One of the biggest failings of this bunch of cnts has been the way that pretty much everything has become either proscribed or mandatory - I want, mostly, to be left the fck alone.Is it that hard though?
You should be allowed to vote for your local MP as is now (except governments would be banned from redrawing boundaries).
You should then also be allowed to vote for a party, that would then be represented in the Lords by PR.
I'd have other rules about forcing MPs to live locally etc, but that's the gist of it....
You should be allowed to vote for your local MP as is now (except governments would be banned from redrawing boundaries).
You should then also be allowed to vote for a party, that would then be represented in the Lords by PR.
I'd have other rules about forcing MPs to live locally etc, but that's the gist of it....
Zod said:
so let's use the excuse of MPs' expenses claims to change the system to favour Labour to an even greater extent than it does now! Of course, if MPs had been elected differently they wouldn't have flipped their housing claims.
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This is classic labour spin, caught fiddling expenses, blame system, propose 30k pay rise! Or sign on sod off £200 per day. This is why I never complete surveys, as the answers will be interpreted to fit the preferred 'answer'.... . .Edited by Northern Munkee on Wednesday 10th June 09:33
To the rare defence of Gordon Brown, he, and many others in the Labour party, have been suggesting electoral reform for many years. However, after the last Election, where the Conservatives polled more votes overall than Labour, they shut up about it.
This is just a cynical attempt at getting expenses and recession and Labour infighting off the front pages. It could also be viewed as an even more cynical attempt to strengthen Labour's powerbase because they've twigged that even after fiddling all the boundaries, they're still going to lose.
Anyway, the problem with the system that the BBC were suggesting may be studied is that in a two party system it doesn't work any better than first past the post, and it also runs the risk of ending up with some very odd results as people grade their polar opposite last and put the fringe/wierdo parties as second choice.
Zod, should it get that far, is there any legal recourse to prevent it happening?
This is just a cynical attempt at getting expenses and recession and Labour infighting off the front pages. It could also be viewed as an even more cynical attempt to strengthen Labour's powerbase because they've twigged that even after fiddling all the boundaries, they're still going to lose.
Anyway, the problem with the system that the BBC were suggesting may be studied is that in a two party system it doesn't work any better than first past the post, and it also runs the risk of ending up with some very odd results as people grade their polar opposite last and put the fringe/wierdo parties as second choice.
Zod, should it get that far, is there any legal recourse to prevent it happening?
We obviously need further reform, but hasty reforms in the dying days of a government are the worst way to go about it.
Reform must start with the House of Lords, but we must be careful to retain the independence from party whips that is often a feature of the present body. OK elect a majority of the members by PR, but for fixed terms (of say 12 years). That way not only is composition of the chamber slow to react to movement in popularity but members are free to ignore their parties.
The Tories already have some fairly radical ideas, if followed through correctly, in their localism agenda. We are one of the most centralised governments in the western world and this needs to change.
Reform must start with the House of Lords, but we must be careful to retain the independence from party whips that is often a feature of the present body. OK elect a majority of the members by PR, but for fixed terms (of say 12 years). That way not only is composition of the chamber slow to react to movement in popularity but members are free to ignore their parties.
The Tories already have some fairly radical ideas, if followed through correctly, in their localism agenda. We are one of the most centralised governments in the western world and this needs to change.
I think it's time to adopt a system of region governance, legislature, and taxation. Similar in style to the United States, perhaps at a county level?
United Counties Under Non Totalitarian System
Although Unisys would have to lengthen the spaces after competitors names for the GP and Olympics.
United Counties Under Non Totalitarian System
Although Unisys would have to lengthen the spaces after competitors names for the GP and Olympics.
their resolve seems to have been bolstered by the press more so the bbc and i think that puts us in a very dangerous position of having an imcompetant corrupt sleezy government that thinks it can do no wrong making important decisions...what we need is something to keep these idiots occupied like another big labour scandal that the press drag out till the next election...
Invisible man said:
It'd be far better to introduce a compulsory voting system IMO
I think that's the worst thing to do.Many non-voters don't care for politics etc.
Being *forced* to vote will pi55 them off.
So they will vote completely against any main party just to illustrate their resentment.
Before you know it, someone like the BNP will be in power.
esselte said:
Invisible man said:
It'd be far better to introduce a compulsory voting system IMO
So long as "None of the above" is an option..Then there's the whole "how do you 'force' people to vote"? That'd just cost a fortune to administer and excuse for MORE money wasted.
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