What is Mandy up to?
Discussion
So what is his angle then?
The one man you must never underestimate is Peter. But what on earth is his plan?
Does he have secret ambitions to be more than just King-maker; to crown himself ruler, if only for the interim period before the election he declares to be inevitable, should Brown be toppled?
If not, I don't understand what he gets from being at the heart of all the current troubles? Is he just so obsessed with limelight and "celebrity" that nothing else matters than getting onto Andrew Marr etc?
It is wise to try to think many steps ahead when attempting to unmask Mandy.
So, what do you think he's up to?
The one man you must never underestimate is Peter. But what on earth is his plan?
Does he have secret ambitions to be more than just King-maker; to crown himself ruler, if only for the interim period before the election he declares to be inevitable, should Brown be toppled?
If not, I don't understand what he gets from being at the heart of all the current troubles? Is he just so obsessed with limelight and "celebrity" that nothing else matters than getting onto Andrew Marr etc?
It is wise to try to think many steps ahead when attempting to unmask Mandy.
So, what do you think he's up to?
I think you're overestimating him. Despite being a 'right hand man' on many occasions and seemingly manoevering himself int positions of strength, he's never actually achieved any real power.
And could you really trust the judgement of a man who wants to be the captain of the Titanic once the iceberg's already hit?
And could you really trust the judgement of a man who wants to be the captain of the Titanic once the iceberg's already hit?
Whatever he is up to it will be in his own interest, not for the likes of you and me and the good of this crumbling country. It amazes me that such an awfull man, who was discredited twice and has not been voted in can be so powerfull in our government. A friend of mine went to university with him and says he is one of the cleverest men he has ever met, pity he is such a manipulating nasty piece of work. I wonder what his expenses look like?.
Every time I hear the words 'LORD Mandy' I scream in dismay.... I thought Lord was a title bestowed on the worthy and good of this country, not a ticket to get someone who is unvotable back onto the Gravytrain.
Every time I hear the words 'LORD Mandy' I scream in dismay.... I thought Lord was a title bestowed on the worthy and good of this country, not a ticket to get someone who is unvotable back onto the Gravytrain.
10 Pence Short said:
I think you're overestimating him. Despite being a 'right hand man' on many occasions and seemingly manoevering himself int positions of strength, he's never actually achieved any real power.
And could you really trust the judgement of a man who wants to be the captain of the Titanic once the iceberg's already hit?
Huh?And could you really trust the judgement of a man who wants to be the captain of the Titanic once the iceberg's already hit?
He is more powerful than Brown by a long shot.
He has the ears of the most influential people in the world, and they turn to him as well.
With his current position and his current group of mates he is quite possibly the most powerful man in the country.
king government that is open and accountable....Mandy is now kingmaker in chief. He is the most powerful man in the Labour party, he is also the most intelligent and perceptive.
By showing ultra loyalty to Brown, he keeps the party on his side. He knows the next election is lost, he also knows he is untouchable and therefore within the party he is currently the ultimate power. He is already looking ahead of the election, to when Labour are in Opposition and the rebuilding has to be done. In order for that to happen there must be Labour unity, he knows he cannot be the focus of civil war, the repercussions that happen, therefore he is now Mr Loyal, Mr Party. He remains untoachable though, whoever "wins" the civil war must have Mandy on their side. That means he stays kingmaker in chief.
Mandy is 2 steps ahead of everyone. None of the crap sticking to Brown will stick to Mandy either, as he will perform flawlessly, competently and proficiently in front of the electorate, in the House and in his job.
Mandy is thinking of the next 5 years and his role in leading the Labour party.
By showing ultra loyalty to Brown, he keeps the party on his side. He knows the next election is lost, he also knows he is untouchable and therefore within the party he is currently the ultimate power. He is already looking ahead of the election, to when Labour are in Opposition and the rebuilding has to be done. In order for that to happen there must be Labour unity, he knows he cannot be the focus of civil war, the repercussions that happen, therefore he is now Mr Loyal, Mr Party. He remains untoachable though, whoever "wins" the civil war must have Mandy on their side. That means he stays kingmaker in chief.
Mandy is 2 steps ahead of everyone. None of the crap sticking to Brown will stick to Mandy either, as he will perform flawlessly, competently and proficiently in front of the electorate, in the House and in his job.
Mandy is thinking of the next 5 years and his role in leading the Labour party.
Mandleson is part of the Bilderbergs. Google it for a massive list of conspiracy theories and sites.
Very, very influential!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/377301...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2004/jun/04/netnote...
Very, very influential!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/377301...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2004/jun/04/netnote...
Edited by jshell on Sunday 7th June 13:00
DJC said:
Mandy is now kingmaker in chief. He is the most powerful man in the Labour party, he is also the most intelligent and perceptive.
By showing ultra loyalty to Brown, he keeps the party on his side. He knows the next election is lost, he also knows he is untouchable and therefore within the party he is currently the ultimate power. He is already looking ahead of the election, to when Labour are in Opposition and the rebuilding has to be done. In order for that to happen there must be Labour unity, he knows he cannot be the focus of civil war, the repercussions that happen, therefore he is now Mr Loyal, Mr Party. He remains untoachable though, whoever "wins" the civil war must have Mandy on their side. That means he stays kingmaker in chief.
Mandy is 2 steps ahead of everyone. None of the crap sticking to Brown will stick to Mandy either, as he will perform flawlessly, competently and proficiently in front of the electorate, in the House and in his job.
Mandy is thinking of the next 5 years and his role in leading the Labour party.
I think you`re spot on with that precis, Peter Mandelson will in my opinion work right at the heart of Labour re-introducing the ethos of Blair`s ( Mandy`s all along ? ) New Labour vision. One term of the Tories pulling themselves apart over Europe, possibly 2 terms, ( lets not under-estimate Peter`s tenacity ) ......The who`s going to be the next labour leader ? Caroline Flint ?By showing ultra loyalty to Brown, he keeps the party on his side. He knows the next election is lost, he also knows he is untouchable and therefore within the party he is currently the ultimate power. He is already looking ahead of the election, to when Labour are in Opposition and the rebuilding has to be done. In order for that to happen there must be Labour unity, he knows he cannot be the focus of civil war, the repercussions that happen, therefore he is now Mr Loyal, Mr Party. He remains untoachable though, whoever "wins" the civil war must have Mandy on their side. That means he stays kingmaker in chief.
Mandy is 2 steps ahead of everyone. None of the crap sticking to Brown will stick to Mandy either, as he will perform flawlessly, competently and proficiently in front of the electorate, in the House and in his job.
Mandy is thinking of the next 5 years and his role in leading the Labour party.
Pobolycwm said:
DJC said:
Mandy is now kingmaker in chief. He is the most powerful man in the Labour party, he is also the most intelligent and perceptive.
By showing ultra loyalty to Brown, he keeps the party on his side. He knows the next election is lost, he also knows he is untouchable and therefore within the party he is currently the ultimate power. He is already looking ahead of the election, to when Labour are in Opposition and the rebuilding has to be done. In order for that to happen there must be Labour unity, he knows he cannot be the focus of civil war, the repercussions that happen, therefore he is now Mr Loyal, Mr Party. He remains untoachable though, whoever "wins" the civil war must have Mandy on their side. That means he stays kingmaker in chief.
Mandy is 2 steps ahead of everyone. None of the crap sticking to Brown will stick to Mandy either, as he will perform flawlessly, competently and proficiently in front of the electorate, in the House and in his job.
Mandy is thinking of the next 5 years and his role in leading the Labour party.
I think you`re spot on with that precis, By showing ultra loyalty to Brown, he keeps the party on his side. He knows the next election is lost, he also knows he is untouchable and therefore within the party he is currently the ultimate power. He is already looking ahead of the election, to when Labour are in Opposition and the rebuilding has to be done. In order for that to happen there must be Labour unity, he knows he cannot be the focus of civil war, the repercussions that happen, therefore he is now Mr Loyal, Mr Party. He remains untoachable though, whoever "wins" the civil war must have Mandy on their side. That means he stays kingmaker in chief.
Mandy is 2 steps ahead of everyone. None of the crap sticking to Brown will stick to Mandy either, as he will perform flawlessly, competently and proficiently in front of the electorate, in the House and in his job.
Mandy is thinking of the next 5 years and his role in leading the Labour party.
DJC said:
Mandy is now kingmaker in chief. He is the most powerful man in the Labour party, he is also the most intelligent and perceptive.
By showing ultra loyalty to Brown, he keeps the party on his side. He knows the next election is lost, he also knows he is untouchable and therefore within the party he is currently the ultimate power. He is already looking ahead of the election, to when Labour are in Opposition and the rebuilding has to be done. In order for that to happen there must be Labour unity, he knows he cannot be the focus of civil war, the repercussions that happen, therefore he is now Mr Loyal, Mr Party. He remains untoachable though, whoever "wins" the civil war must have Mandy on their side. That means he stays kingmaker in chief.
Mandy is 2 steps ahead of everyone. None of the crap sticking to Brown will stick to Mandy either, as he will perform flawlessly, competently and proficiently in front of the electorate, in the House and in his job.
Mandy is thinking of the next 5 years and his role in leading the Labour party.
I disagree. Mandy is just a fix-it man, a facilitator. The one you send in to make dirty threats in smokey rooms.By showing ultra loyalty to Brown, he keeps the party on his side. He knows the next election is lost, he also knows he is untouchable and therefore within the party he is currently the ultimate power. He is already looking ahead of the election, to when Labour are in Opposition and the rebuilding has to be done. In order for that to happen there must be Labour unity, he knows he cannot be the focus of civil war, the repercussions that happen, therefore he is now Mr Loyal, Mr Party. He remains untoachable though, whoever "wins" the civil war must have Mandy on their side. That means he stays kingmaker in chief.
Mandy is 2 steps ahead of everyone. None of the crap sticking to Brown will stick to Mandy either, as he will perform flawlessly, competently and proficiently in front of the electorate, in the House and in his job.
Mandy is thinking of the next 5 years and his role in leading the Labour party.
He doesn't have power, he just helps those who do have power to make progress. The rank and file Labour Party don't have any affection for Mandelson- they hate him. Brown has just used Mandelson as a last throw of the dice to inject some pressure in the right places.
Once Labour loses the next election, that'll be Mandelson off and away from politics and back into whatever shady commercial deals he was party to before coming back.
Like I said, don't overestimate his political power.
10 Pence Short said:
DJC said:
Mandy is now kingmaker in chief. He is the most powerful man in the Labour party, he is also the most intelligent and perceptive.
By showing ultra loyalty to Brown, he keeps the party on his side. He knows the next election is lost, he also knows he is untouchable and therefore within the party he is currently the ultimate power. He is already looking ahead of the election, to when Labour are in Opposition and the rebuilding has to be done. In order for that to happen there must be Labour unity, he knows he cannot be the focus of civil war, the repercussions that happen, therefore he is now Mr Loyal, Mr Party. He remains untoachable though, whoever "wins" the civil war must have Mandy on their side. That means he stays kingmaker in chief.
Mandy is 2 steps ahead of everyone. None of the crap sticking to Brown will stick to Mandy either, as he will perform flawlessly, competently and proficiently in front of the electorate, in the House and in his job.
Mandy is thinking of the next 5 years and his role in leading the Labour party.
I disagree. Mandy is just a fix-it man, a facilitator. The one you send in to make dirty threats in smokey rooms.By showing ultra loyalty to Brown, he keeps the party on his side. He knows the next election is lost, he also knows he is untouchable and therefore within the party he is currently the ultimate power. He is already looking ahead of the election, to when Labour are in Opposition and the rebuilding has to be done. In order for that to happen there must be Labour unity, he knows he cannot be the focus of civil war, the repercussions that happen, therefore he is now Mr Loyal, Mr Party. He remains untoachable though, whoever "wins" the civil war must have Mandy on their side. That means he stays kingmaker in chief.
Mandy is 2 steps ahead of everyone. None of the crap sticking to Brown will stick to Mandy either, as he will perform flawlessly, competently and proficiently in front of the electorate, in the House and in his job.
Mandy is thinking of the next 5 years and his role in leading the Labour party.
He doesn't have power, he just helps those who do have power to make progress. The rank and file Labour Party don't have any affection for Mandelson- they hate him. Brown has just used Mandelson as a last throw of the dice to inject some pressure in the right places.
Once Labour loses the next election, that'll be Mandelson off and away from politics and back into whatever shady commercial deals he was party to before coming back.
Like I said, don't overestimate his political power.
10 Pence Short said:
DJC said:
Mandy is now kingmaker in chief. He is the most powerful man in the Labour party, he is also the most intelligent and perceptive.
Like I said, don't overestimate his political power.
I dont. Like I said, don't overestimate his political power.
Europe was the ideal setup for him, out of the media firing line, with lots of wriggle room to go about his nefarious business. Oh and lets not forget a brilliantly expandable remuneration package thrown in, with a golden hello and golden goodbye built in. Expect him to be around for a long time.
Edited for window lickeresque name spelling
Edited by Traveller on Monday 8th June 11:50
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