How long before we see an MP in jail over this fraud stuff
Discussion
uk_vette said:
How long before we see an MP in jail over this fraud stuff, now the police are involved, then the lawers, then klink.
I am looking forward to it.
Rather innocent, are you not?I am looking forward to it.
You say "fraud", they say "the system".
"I'll pay it back", or, "I'll not stand next time".
You wanna be the CPS one to approve prosecution?
Watch and learn how you are f
ked over.WhoseGeneration said:
uk_vette said:
How long before we see an MP in jail over this fraud stuff, now the police are involved, then the lawers, then klink.
I am looking forward to it.
Rather innocent, are you not?I am looking forward to it.
You say "fraud", they say "the system".
"I'll pay it back", or, "I'll not stand next time".
You wanna be the CPS one to approve prosecution?
Watch and learn how you are f
ked over.I am starting to wonder if the public will accept that none of them get jailed for fraud. The furore does seem to be dying down a fraction when it comes to the outright theft that some MPs have undertaken. Now they are all "standing down" and "paying it back" etc.. some people seem happy with that. I am not.
EDLT said:
If anyone gets a sentence it will be less than that Lord who got twelve weeks (I think) in prison for killing someone because he was texting while driving.
I don't want to go too far OT, but he wasn't convicted of killing anyone, let alone whilst texting.Edited by EDLT on Monday 1st June 23:28
If any MPs are found guilty of fraud, I hope they are treated justly, especially considering their position of trust and the need to be seen to be 'whiter than white'.
All these MP's have said they'll pay the money back, or have paid the money back......But do we actually know they HAVE paid it back?
I mean, they could just be saying it to the media.....but not actually do it.
I can't speak for the rest of you, but I will not have restored faith in Politics (not that I had much in the first place) unless I see MP's treated like the rest of us, and criminal prosecutions are brought against those that broke the law.
They should not be allowed to get away with fraud by offering to pay the money back.
I mean, they could just be saying it to the media.....but not actually do it.
I can't speak for the rest of you, but I will not have restored faith in Politics (not that I had much in the first place) unless I see MP's treated like the rest of us, and criminal prosecutions are brought against those that broke the law.
They should not be allowed to get away with fraud by offering to pay the money back.
At the risk of banging repeatedly on about something I've mentioned several times....
It isn't the money, or the fraud as to why the people are so pissed off.
We were all already totally pissed off, apart from Labour's client voters that is.
We've been royally butt screwed since 1997, lets kick off with UK occupational pension schemes had the largest reserves / funds of any country in Europe. winky made his 5 billion/yr raid and arguably that was the start of the rot of the markets. MPs, of course, voted to sort out their own pensions very nicely out of our pockets; thank you very much.
And you can add a whole load of stuff that they've been legislating themselves nicely out of things that they have been applying to us.
People protested and raised all sorts of legitimate arguments and they just cocked a deaf 'un.
Add in the huge amount of unnecessary and in some case unenforceable legislation they have been raining down on us.
Now the problem since 1997 has been that the party in power have had such a majority that they felt they could do what the hell they liked; it's a measure of how barmy they are that even with such a majority that they have lost the number of votes they have.
We might have suspicions that they have acted illegally / immorally eg WMD, Dr Kelly etc ,but things like this can and always have been covered up under national security / bla di bla.
However it could be argued that this is just the democratic process; they were voted in; we might not like what they are doing, but constitutionally it is their right to do it, and if we want to change things then get yourself elected boys.
This expenses / allowances fiasco is the first thing that is out in the open and is the first thing we can nail them on.
I just hope in Question Time this week somebody picks up on this because it's not about the money. For me it's about the fact that MPs have just not been doing their jobs, they are supposed to keep the Govt in check but some, note bold and underline on some, some have been fricking about snouts in the trough. We are over governed and badly governed.
Without this being exposed, we'd have had elections sometime, Labour would have been consigned to the opposition benches for a couple of terms and it would all have gone on as before.
I'd like this Parliament to truly get the title of the Rotten Parliament. As part of this, it is absolutely necessary for some MPs who have acted illegally to be prosecuted, and if it is the decision of the independant
judiciary that they are guilty and a custodial sentence is appropriate then so be it.
It isn't the money, or the fraud as to why the people are so pissed off.
We were all already totally pissed off, apart from Labour's client voters that is.
We've been royally butt screwed since 1997, lets kick off with UK occupational pension schemes had the largest reserves / funds of any country in Europe. winky made his 5 billion/yr raid and arguably that was the start of the rot of the markets. MPs, of course, voted to sort out their own pensions very nicely out of our pockets; thank you very much.
And you can add a whole load of stuff that they've been legislating themselves nicely out of things that they have been applying to us.
People protested and raised all sorts of legitimate arguments and they just cocked a deaf 'un.
Add in the huge amount of unnecessary and in some case unenforceable legislation they have been raining down on us.
Now the problem since 1997 has been that the party in power have had such a majority that they felt they could do what the hell they liked; it's a measure of how barmy they are that even with such a majority that they have lost the number of votes they have.
We might have suspicions that they have acted illegally / immorally eg WMD, Dr Kelly etc ,but things like this can and always have been covered up under national security / bla di bla.
However it could be argued that this is just the democratic process; they were voted in; we might not like what they are doing, but constitutionally it is their right to do it, and if we want to change things then get yourself elected boys.
This expenses / allowances fiasco is the first thing that is out in the open and is the first thing we can nail them on.
I just hope in Question Time this week somebody picks up on this because it's not about the money. For me it's about the fact that MPs have just not been doing their jobs, they are supposed to keep the Govt in check but some, note bold and underline on some, some have been fricking about snouts in the trough. We are over governed and badly governed.
Without this being exposed, we'd have had elections sometime, Labour would have been consigned to the opposition benches for a couple of terms and it would all have gone on as before.
I'd like this Parliament to truly get the title of the Rotten Parliament. As part of this, it is absolutely necessary for some MPs who have acted illegally to be prosecuted, and if it is the decision of the independant
judiciary that they are guilty and a custodial sentence is appropriate then so be it.their probably above the law if alot of them are doing it....this is why they never apologise for or admit anything instead they lie, cheat, spin and steal..like for example
lie - no more boom and bust, it started in america, fiddle the figures to keep the rates down and flip houses - free and easy money for the reckless few in good times and bad, big pensions signed off on for failed businessman and mps..
cheat - sell taxpayers gold and announce its sale beforehand, force a merger through against competition laws, use taxpayers cash to buy xxx films, bailout reckless lenders and borrowers to the detriment of savers who have been prudent....
spin - things will only get better
steal - flip homes, claim for a mortgage on a house you have already flipped...
they only come down hard when its a single member of the opposition like damien green, where the police went after him with alot less...
Spiritual_Beggar said:
They should not be allowed to get away with fraud by offering to pay the money back.
Exactly,Paying the money back does not get you off the hook.
You have still committed the offence.
They should be made to pay the money back, then they should receive the sentence.
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Jasandjules said:
I am starting to wonder if the public will accept that none of them get jailed for fraud. The furore does seem to be dying down a fraction when it comes to the outright theft that some MPs have undertaken. Now they are all "standing down" and "paying it back" etc.. some people seem happy with that. I am not.
But what can we realistically do to get them before the Judge? Paying it back does not balence out the fraud in the first place and there must be plenty in prison to prove this fact. How can these bloody smug-faced MP gits sit there and say "it's ok, I'll give it back"?How can the criminal system just ignore this documented, paper-trailed fraud?
The system has been this way for a very very very long time. People in the past has morals but more importantly they expected the people they voted for to have morals too.
This is why the system had been allowed to continue, paliament was full of upstanding members/pillars of thier comunities who were elected to serve, and in return do the right thing by the the people that elected them. A carefully selected few would be invited to cabinet to create policies that would benefit the nation as a whole usually for many years to come.
At some point somebody decided politics is a career and could be studied as such, the result is poeple entering politics for personal gain. These people will say all the right things in order to continue that career (after all they can't do anything else) whilst doing what is best for them. They will not do what is in long term interest due to short term success being essential for them to continue.
I therefore suggest changes to the system should include the following before anybody should be allowed to stand.
1.Full payment of tax (had a job) for 20 years.
2.full payment of local tax in the constituancy they are standing for 10 years.
3.no criminal convictions.
4.manifesto's/pledges are a contactual agreement. breach of agreement or deliberatly missleading the electorate (i.e gordon's pledge for a european referendum) means seat in parliament is lost.
5. add what you want
6. add what you want
7. add what you want
8. add what you want
there are more but i think I would like to see fellows PH'ers thoughts
This is why the system had been allowed to continue, paliament was full of upstanding members/pillars of thier comunities who were elected to serve, and in return do the right thing by the the people that elected them. A carefully selected few would be invited to cabinet to create policies that would benefit the nation as a whole usually for many years to come.
At some point somebody decided politics is a career and could be studied as such, the result is poeple entering politics for personal gain. These people will say all the right things in order to continue that career (after all they can't do anything else) whilst doing what is best for them. They will not do what is in long term interest due to short term success being essential for them to continue.
I therefore suggest changes to the system should include the following before anybody should be allowed to stand.
1.Full payment of tax (had a job) for 20 years.
2.full payment of local tax in the constituancy they are standing for 10 years.
3.no criminal convictions.
4.manifesto's/pledges are a contactual agreement. breach of agreement or deliberatly missleading the electorate (i.e gordon's pledge for a european referendum) means seat in parliament is lost.
5. add what you want
6. add what you want
7. add what you want
8. add what you want
there are more but i think I would like to see fellows PH'ers thoughts
ypauly said:
I therefore suggest changes to the system should include the following before anybody should be allowed to stand.
1.Full payment of tax (had a job) for 20 years.
2.full payment of local tax in the constituancy they are standing for 10 years.
3.no criminal convictions.
4.manifesto's/pledges are a contactual agreement. breach of agreement or deliberatly missleading the electorate (i.e gordon's pledge for a european referendum) means seat in parliament is lost.
5. Minimum 8 years of maintaining a paid real job and running a family household thus encountering all the time money priority conflicts that normal people have to deal with.1.Full payment of tax (had a job) for 20 years.
2.full payment of local tax in the constituancy they are standing for 10 years.
3.no criminal convictions.
4.manifesto's/pledges are a contactual agreement. breach of agreement or deliberatly missleading the electorate (i.e gordon's pledge for a european referendum) means seat in parliament is lost.
6. add what you want
7. add what you want
8. add what you want
tonyvid said:
Jasandjules said:
I am starting to wonder if the public will accept that none of them get jailed for fraud. The furore does seem to be dying down a fraction when it comes to the outright theft that some MPs have undertaken. Now they are all "standing down" and "paying it back" etc.. some people seem happy with that. I am not.
But what can we realistically do to get them before the Judge? Paying it back does not balence out the fraud in the first place and there must be plenty in prison to prove this fact. How can these bloody smug-faced MP gits sit there and say "it's ok, I'll give it back"?How can the criminal system just ignore this documented, paper-trailed fraud?
Eric Mc said:
Mteroplitan Police has just announced that it is extremely unlikely ANY MPs will face prosecution.
Saw that...not surprised.The Police and politians are in bed together on things like this. Police won't take action against the MP's as it is the MP's that decide the wages and funding the Police get.
Until there is a change in the way we govern..... the Police won't bite the hand that feeds it.
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