Susan Boyle in Rehab
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8076413.stm
That didn't take long.
I've only seen this woman on the news, have never seen "Britain Has Talent" or whatever it is called....but it seems to be important as it made it to the headlines.
That didn't take long.
I've only seen this woman on the news, have never seen "Britain Has Talent" or whatever it is called....but it seems to be important as it made it to the headlines.
anonymous said:
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She'll get a record deal out of this, and become considerably more wealthy than you and I. I can see it now: huge advance for first album, extensive plastic surgery, relationship with Jack Tweedy, disappointing second album in collaboration with Cliff Richard, The Prodigy and others, face-down-in-swimming-pool-smacked-off-her-tits moment, rehab and cleanup, triumphant third album, endless "greatest hits" re-releases until the end of time.
anonymous said:
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If she survives it - perhaps.No one is forced onto these programmes - or to audition for them. That is inded true. But there are plenty of members of society who are just not mentally stable enough to truly understand what they are getting into.
This particular farago could end up very bad.
Cowell and his ilk are people exploiters at heart - they are not interested in what happens to the individuals who appear on their programmes - just in the growth of the programme itself - and their wealth, of course.
Jon C said:
The poor woman displays many markers which place her squarely on the Autism spectrum somewhere, possibly Aspergers. Having seen a few Aspergers 'episodes' at first hand, I am surprised at how well she coped on the show. Perhaps Cowell wanted a full blown attack on prime time tv?
I have no doubt that Cowell and the other executives who run this programme spotted her mental problems at the first (non-televised) audition. And I said on another thread on the same topic, they would have selected her PRECISELY because she displayed signs of mental problems.I think the whole premise of these types of shows (Big Brother works on a similar selection process). The madder the applicant the better. Programmes such as this are wholly despicable and a sad reflection on those who love to watch them - and on society in general.
Talk about losing our moral compass, it's not been lost, it's been smashed to pieces.
Dig out Charlie Brookers review of her original appearance (it's on youtube) or Clive James' "Point of View" Radio 4 broadcast - which might still be available on "Listen Again" or BBC iPlayer. Both are very intelligent reviewers of the media and are both wholly sceptical of Cowell and his ethos.
Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 1st June 08:24
Eric Mc said:
Jon C said:
The poor woman displays many markers which place her squarely on the Autism spectrum somewhere, possibly Aspergers. Having seen a few Aspergers 'episodes' at first hand, I am surprised at how well she coped on the show. Perhaps Cowell wanted a full blown attack on prime time tv?
I have no doubt that Cowell and the other executives who run this programme spotted her mental problems at the first (non-televised) audition. And I said on another thread on the same topic, they would have selected her PRECISELY because she displayed signs of mental problems.I think the whole premise of these types of shows (Big Brother works on a similar selection process. The madder the applicant the better. Programmes such as this are wholly despicable and a sad reflection on those who love to watch them - and on society in general.
Talk about losing our moral compass, it's not been lost, it's been smashed to pieces.
A decade ago I used to work in TV (on the production side). I had friends who were involved in the production of the talk shows (remember them?) and then the new "reality" programmes such as Big Brother. Indeed one of my contemporaries went on to become Exec Producer for BB/Endemol and made a lot of money out of it.
I lef the industry around then as I simply had no interest in where it was going. I could not devote my time and energy to producing complete dross that undermines (in my opinion) society in general. Sadly I had a conscience and needed to feel that my getting out of bed in the morning would have a positive rather than negative effect on others.
I can assure anyone here that the only, the only interest that producers of these types of shows have is the ratings. The more extreme or unbalanced the participants are the better. Cowell and his ilk have absolutely no conscience when it comes to exploiting the weak and the vulnerable (they may pretend that they are offering them a chance - but this is only an attempt at justification).
It is nothing more than an afternoon at the collosseum, 21st century style.
Thanks for confirming my thoughts. I really think that this type of TV is having a very, very bad effect on society - not to mention some of the partcipants.
I have no problem with talent show TV per se - they've been shown on TV since the earliest days - as long as the people who put the show together are genuinely seeking talent and are not out to exploit the participants.
Exploitation of the weak and vulnerable for our delectation just stinks - in my opinion.
I have no problem with talent show TV per se - they've been shown on TV since the earliest days - as long as the people who put the show together are genuinely seeking talent and are not out to exploit the participants.
Exploitation of the weak and vulnerable for our delectation just stinks - in my opinion.
Eric Mc said:
Jon C said:
The poor woman displays many markers which place her squarely on the Autism spectrum somewhere, possibly Aspergers. Having seen a few Aspergers 'episodes' at first hand, I am surprised at how well she coped on the show. Perhaps Cowell wanted a full blown attack on prime time tv?
I have no doubt that Cowell and the other executives who run this programme spotted her mental problems at the first (non-televised) audition. And I said on another thread on the same topic, they would have selected her PRECISELY because she displayed signs of mental problems.I think the whole premise of these types of shows (Big Brother works on a similar selection process). The madder the applicant the better. Programmes such as this are wholly despicable and a sad reflection on those who love to watch them - and on society in general.
Talk about losing our moral compass, it's not been lost, it's been smashed to pieces.
Dig out Charlie Brookers review of her original appearance (it's on youtube) or Clive James' "Point of View" Radio 4 broadcast - which might still be available on "Listen Again" or BBC iPlayer. Both are very intelligent reviewers of the media and are both wholly sceptical of Cowell and his ethos.
Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 1st June 08:24
Eric, you do realise quite a few members of our society have been sceptical of Cowell and co, the whole reality tv thing since BB first appeared on tv 10yrs ago. The solution? Simple, recognise it for what it is and choose not to watch it.
Ppl must remember that most of the country *dont* watch these shows.
Eric Mc said:
I have no problem with talent show TV per se - they've been shown on TV since the earliest days - as long as the people who put the show together are genuinely seeking talent and are not out to exploit the participants.
Exploitation of the weak and vulnerable for our delectation just stinks - in my opinion.
The problem is working out who should decide which applicant to a talent show should be permitted to make their own decisions, and which should have their personal freedom curtailed. For their own good of course. Exploitation of the weak and vulnerable for our delectation just stinks - in my opinion.
A free society means allowing people to do want they want providing it doesn't harm anyone else. Not allowing people to do only what a self appointed elite thinks they should want.
EVERY applicant who auditions for these shows goes through a selection process. At every point in this process the producers of the show and the selection team make decisions as to whether they will make it onto the show or not. So, the decision as to who actually appears in front of the viewing audience rests entirely in the hands of the production team - not the auditionee.
I have no problem with that - it's the TV company's show and it's their perogative to decide what the format looks like.
However, this team is in a position of power and need to exercise that power with an element of intelligence and caution. My point is that, on "Britain's Got Talent", SOME of the particiapnts are selected by the team PRECISELY because they DON'T have talent or because they display elements of eccentric behaviour - and may possibly have mental issues.
THAT is my problem with this type of show (and Big Brother).
I have no problem with that - it's the TV company's show and it's their perogative to decide what the format looks like.
However, this team is in a position of power and need to exercise that power with an element of intelligence and caution. My point is that, on "Britain's Got Talent", SOME of the particiapnts are selected by the team PRECISELY because they DON'T have talent or because they display elements of eccentric behaviour - and may possibly have mental issues.
THAT is my problem with this type of show (and Big Brother).
Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 1st June 09:55
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